Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 45

Yes MrDarcy. :)

I just felt the need to clarify I am not Dawn and got a bit carried away. ;)

Jaggirl, I removed my post, not the place for and argument between you and I.this is a very touchy subject and we can go overboard. I will tell you that before you try and make me or anyone look like a some kind of crook or something, get to know the person for yourself. Things aren't always what they appear to be. You should know all the facts before you put them  to pen.

Top Dog, you may want to take heed the moderator's warning.

The biggest issues in this entire case are:

1. The shelter broke the law and did not give DV the opportunity to fix a thing.

2. Dogs were being adopted out prior to any trial and while a stay was in place.

3. Several dogs still have contested ownership which is going through the courts but have already been placed in new homes.

If this does not scare the crap out of people, it should. Imagine you take your dog to a boarding kennel that you thought was top notch. You are out of town and get a call from the kennel owner saying the kennel was raided and your dog was seized. You come home, grab your vet records, microchip records, pictures, contracts, registration, etc and rush to the shelter. The shelter blocks you from seeing your dog and tells you that the records you have are not good enough. You continue to fight and your dog was adopted anyway, even with a court ordered stay in place.

Or, you have your own breeding operation. Another breeder wants what you have so they decide to make complaints until your dogs are removed. No court hearings, no guilty verdict, nothing. Then you find out all of your expensive breeding dogs are in the homes of other breeders, fully intact, to be added to their own personal breeding operations.

Seriously, this sets an extremely dangerous precedent. If DV is guilty, let the courts decide that. What if the courts rule the shelter broke the laws and it didn't happen the way they said it did? You are left with a person that is in ruins, personally, professionally, and financially. That is why we have courts. That is why overly aggressive organizations need to answer to abuses of power.

I think you should refrain from attacking me, and not talk about things you read on line , you want to know about me ask me, contact me elsewhere. Stick to the topic about 39 dogs siezed.

jaggirl47 -
This is what I've been trying to say from the beginning........
Our property rights are being eroded every day.......
With every instance such as this, a rule of precedence is created, and that is how judges determine all future cases.
Yes it terrifies me!

As I wrote before.......
A close friend of mine sent 2 of her Dobies to training. When she dropped her dogs off, there were only 2 other dogs in training, the place was clean, and the other 2 dogs looked healthy. Things changed in the month her dogs were in training and the place was raided.

To get her dogs back, she had to hire a lawyer and go to court several times. The Houston SPCA charged her over $100 a day for boarding eventhough her dogs were in perfect physical condition.

Its terrifying that an overzellous organization refused to give her her dogs back, eventhough she had AKC registration certificates, microchip info, vet bills and proof of vaccinaitons, sales contracts and even country dog registrations on them.

The whole process took over 3 months, and cost her $14,000.

Jaggirl47, some questions for you... ( for GSDoldtimerlady, too )

Have you been there at any time?
Did you talk to any of the parties involved?
Do you have any proof ( not herasay ) that the dogs were seized on Monday, and that nobody cared for them from Saturday to Monday?
Did you ask yourself, if the "stay" was ordered for ALL dogs, or if it only was orderd for possibly co-owned dogs?
Do you have proof, that possibly co-owned dogs were adopted, or are they maybe only in foster homes?

" Another breeder wants what you have so they decide to make complaints until your dogs are removed. "

At least I think, that these dogs had to go out of there - Do you really think different?
Do you know about any WELL SIZED KENNELS (not cages) and WHELPING BOXES on her area other people were not able to see?
Did you SEE any vet reports, stating that the dogs are healthy and not underweight?
Do you really believe, that one or two people (DV at work for hours) are able, to care about 39 dogs?

For all the people who believe that the dogs Dante and Embroh are THAT WORTHFUL -

Embroh is a 6 years old male, neither a champion in the ring nor a champion in IPO, nobody is waiting for him as stud...
Dante is a longcoat, SG5 in the longcoat class doesn´t mean much, sorry, but even for him people are not waiting...

That said, the only way to make some money out of these dogs, is by looking for a newby and sell them to him.
As long as FDB doesn´t sell them, he is the proud owner of nice pets, and hopefully giving them a nice home.

SitasMom, you get what my point is 100%.

Susie, not one of these dogs have been placed in foster care. The shelter president himself stated in multiple articles about the adoptions of the dogs. They no longer have any of the GSD's in their shelter and all have been adopted. They also turned away all offers of rescue and foster offers.

Ron Perez, the shelter chair, stated himself in a videotaped interview that the dogs were not removed until Monday after the police went in Saturday morning. The 3 days is actually a part of the court hearings. The stay was put into place by 2 different judges on all of the dogs in order to sort out ownership.

As far as the removal of the dogs, I think the shelter should have followed the law. Was it really as bad as the pictures show? We do not know. I do know some that did get dogs returned to them and the dogs were all healthy weights without a single issue, with the proof of the vet records.

Jaggirl, I don´t want to hear what everybody was able to read or hear in the news, written or told by journalists, I wanted to know if you have PROOF.
Easy questions...

In your last sentence you mention dogs, that already got back to their owners? How is that possible, reading your statements nobody cares about legal proof, and all of them were adopted, not even fostered???

I´m not picky, but I don´t tend to listen to hearsay - and a lot of people talked a lot - a lot of friends, a lot of rescue haters, a lot of strangers...

People are complaining about no spay/neutering - on the other hand they say that there is a stay on the dogs - I want to see anybody willing to alter a dog waiting for proof of legal ownership. All of this is weird, and a lot of this is nonsense pure.

Susie Amen to you. I just don't understand where some people come from.and where they get there info.

Fact 1, the landloard is the one that called police, she found her rental property and the dogs inside in horrific conditions, before the shelter ever got involved. Do you people understand that.how can one person take care of 39 dogs, tell me, DV shouldn't be worried about the dogs now they are all in better places, and not for profit of any kind. That one was ridiculous. But she should be worried about what could happen to them.Better for all to sit and wait for a decision from the courts.Will know tomorrow, unless it gets postponed. Will see.