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by Dawulf on 17 January 2012 - 04:01
Seriously? What the hell has come over this place recently?
It is a nice video. Shows even a dog with a "fault" can still turn out to be something great. He looks happy, as does the owner, so who cares who posted it? Come on!
It is a nice video. Shows even a dog with a "fault" can still turn out to be something great. He looks happy, as does the owner, so who cares who posted it? Come on!
by beetree on 17 January 2012 - 04:01
Okay, if it works for you.
by joanro on 17 January 2012 - 04:01
So a dog with a fault gets to be a slave because he has a fault? He can't just be a dog.
by hexe on 17 January 2012 - 04:01
Yes, quite a touching sight. A talented trainer/handler, and a dog with lovely potential that's being utilized to the benefit of both individuals. It is a mitzvah to have given this promising young dog to someone who needed him.
Yet one need not be a confirmed skeptic to consider this post rather disingenuous...
There's a VAST difference between a dog whose ears wouldn't stand and a dog whose jaw is so malformed that it needs surgical intervention to address a condition that is causing the dog pain, and a dog whose hips are so poorly formed that the animal will be unable to walk without pain unless there is surgical intervention.
A flop-eared GSD can most certainly go on to have a wonderful life, without any pain from those flop-ears, and even become a service dog for someone who needs him or her--without requiring surgical intervention at any time for the flop-ears (before or after the dog is mature). A dog with a deformed jaw that causes the animal pain every time it tries to close it's mouth and when it tries to eat, OTOH, isn't going to have a wonderful life, and isn't going to be able to focus enough for someone to train him to become a service dog--not unless the jaw deformity is corrected surgically and the pain is eliminated by that correction (it's not just a matter of pulling a few puppy teeth). And a dog with hip dysplasia so severe that when he's still under a year of age, there's already evidence of degenerative remodeling of the heads of the femurs and of the acetabula (aka the 'sockets') is also not going to be able to have wonderful life, or go on to become a service dog for someone who needs him, without surgical intervention to address the misconstruction of the hips and reduce the amount of pain the dog will have to endure for it's lifetime...and in this situation, the best one can do is to *reduce* the degree of pain, since eliminating it entirely is simply not possible.
From my point of view, the person in the video above and a dog with problems such as in my example above have much in common: both find their joy in being alive, in spite of the cards they were dealt by fate. Common ground between the flop-eared dog and my 'example' dog, not so much, aside from the fact that both would be disqualified from the show ring, and both would (should) not be considered suitable for breeding.
There are NO perfect dogs, just as there are NO perfect people. Spending multiple thousands of dollars to purchase a living creature--especially one that you don't consider to be potential food for your table, if things don't work out as you hoped--makes no sense, in my opinion. And I'm never disappointed in any dog...they are who they are, through no fault or decision of their own. The humans who bred the dog, or who raised it, or who abandoned it, OTOH? Oh, yes, I most certainly can be disappointed in THEM...but rarely surprised by that.
Yet one need not be a confirmed skeptic to consider this post rather disingenuous...
There's a VAST difference between a dog whose ears wouldn't stand and a dog whose jaw is so malformed that it needs surgical intervention to address a condition that is causing the dog pain, and a dog whose hips are so poorly formed that the animal will be unable to walk without pain unless there is surgical intervention.
A flop-eared GSD can most certainly go on to have a wonderful life, without any pain from those flop-ears, and even become a service dog for someone who needs him or her--without requiring surgical intervention at any time for the flop-ears (before or after the dog is mature). A dog with a deformed jaw that causes the animal pain every time it tries to close it's mouth and when it tries to eat, OTOH, isn't going to have a wonderful life, and isn't going to be able to focus enough for someone to train him to become a service dog--not unless the jaw deformity is corrected surgically and the pain is eliminated by that correction (it's not just a matter of pulling a few puppy teeth). And a dog with hip dysplasia so severe that when he's still under a year of age, there's already evidence of degenerative remodeling of the heads of the femurs and of the acetabula (aka the 'sockets') is also not going to be able to have wonderful life, or go on to become a service dog for someone who needs him, without surgical intervention to address the misconstruction of the hips and reduce the amount of pain the dog will have to endure for it's lifetime...and in this situation, the best one can do is to *reduce* the degree of pain, since eliminating it entirely is simply not possible.
From my point of view, the person in the video above and a dog with problems such as in my example above have much in common: both find their joy in being alive, in spite of the cards they were dealt by fate. Common ground between the flop-eared dog and my 'example' dog, not so much, aside from the fact that both would be disqualified from the show ring, and both would (should) not be considered suitable for breeding.
There are NO perfect dogs, just as there are NO perfect people. Spending multiple thousands of dollars to purchase a living creature--especially one that you don't consider to be potential food for your table, if things don't work out as you hoped--makes no sense, in my opinion. And I'm never disappointed in any dog...they are who they are, through no fault or decision of their own. The humans who bred the dog, or who raised it, or who abandoned it, OTOH? Oh, yes, I most certainly can be disappointed in THEM...but rarely surprised by that.
by Dawulf on 17 January 2012 - 04:01
You view service dogs as slaves? How is service dog training any different than any other kind of training? The same could be said of PP/SchH training "You train your dogs to attack people, how dare you!".
Slave - a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another.
If this is the case, aren't all dogs slaves? Every service dog I have ever met was more than happy to be doing its job.
Slave - a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another.
If this is the case, aren't all dogs slaves? Every service dog I have ever met was more than happy to be doing its job.
by Betty on 17 January 2012 - 05:01
Very talented handler/trainer.
A true working dog.
A true working dog.
by workingdogz on 17 January 2012 - 10:01
Wow Prager, you sure have a set!
First, credit where it's due, you are right, that is a true working dog.
The trainer has done a fantastic job with the dog, and he will allow his "person"
many years of as close to independant living as she can get.
How do you even begin to compare this pup in the video with the one you
and your partner (wait-no, "he's not my partner/wait no, he is")?
That has to be your motivation.
You are right, people should never be disapointed in a dog,
it's pretty certain Chrissy adores the dog she got through you and your partner,
afterall, she has already sunk 2K into correcting his dental issues with that massive
overbite that was "missed", and now she is preparing to drop another load of cash
into him to hopefully provide him with a pain free life. All before the age of 1.
In fact, he isn't much different in age from the pup you linked in the video.
Someone gave you the pup, but you indicate you "placed" him.
Thats kind of the same creative wording Craigslist sellers use for selling dogs
I'm curious what your "rehoming fee" was
I wonder if it was close to the refund amount you had to issue recently.
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So your dog is not perfect? by Prager on 17 January 2012 - 02:01 |
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I am placing this here to all of you who are disappointed because your dog is not perfect. Some one gave me this dogs as an appreciation for advice I gave them. Unfortunately his ears did not go up. I have placed him with an handicapped dog trainer. She had him only few weeks. If you are not going to be touched by this video you have no heart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXWpS81FKxM&feature=youtu.be That is a true working dog in my book!!! Prager Hans |
by Abby Normal on 17 January 2012 - 11:01
Yes, the trainer is very talented, and there are many talented dogs trained as assistance dogs - they are all wonderful. But, I agree with Beetree, this is a merely a distraction.
For me this post has everything to do with who posted it, and why.
Look at the title of the thread – the grossest insult, after everything that has gone before.
Yes, maybe when Chrissy is feeling low we can suggest that she should come here and have a look at this and it will make her feel all better.
Even better, maybe someone will make a heartwarming video about owners having to have expensive surgery so their handicapped dogs can walk and eat and have a normal life – really heartwarming stuff.
I sat and stared at this post for some time as I really just could not believe what I was seeing.
For me this post has everything to do with who posted it, and why.
Look at the title of the thread – the grossest insult, after everything that has gone before.
Yes, maybe when Chrissy is feeling low we can suggest that she should come here and have a look at this and it will make her feel all better.
Even better, maybe someone will make a heartwarming video about owners having to have expensive surgery so their handicapped dogs can walk and eat and have a normal life – really heartwarming stuff.
I sat and stared at this post for some time as I really just could not believe what I was seeing.
by Red Sable on 17 January 2012 - 11:01
Well said Abby, I totally agree. Tasteless and tactless.
by Blitzen on 17 January 2012 - 13:01
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