Brindle Gsd! Did Not Think This Was Possible! - Page 2

Friedo vom Schlabendorf 
This one also looks like a brindle to me, too. Again, I wonder if there are written verifications, anywhere?

Brindle was one of the original colors of GSD's, I thought... went extinct though.

Maybe these are just some weird genes cropping up?

well all those dogs on that website look like there are mixed breeds - there are lots of shepherds out there, but they for sure aren't German Shepherds on that site!

With dogs like this in the background, you cannot be surprised if non standard coats and colours turn up from time to time, just because they are not seen for a few generations does not mean the gene is gone for good.  Livers were extinct in UK from back in the 1960's and now they are all over the place, revived by a couple of imported dogs that were carriers and brought the hidden gene back to the surface.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Kaffirdog/OldGSDPrint.jpg

Margaret N-J

Eeew and that website gives me yet another reason to keep my GSD as far away from my ACD bitch (when shes in season) as possible!

Well Hello :-)  I see the brindle pattern is being discussed again.

For those that do not care for the 'type' of GSD I choose to work with that is your choice.

For those that do not think it is possible to be hidden carriers or for genes to mutate then I encourage you to be open minded and read through the most recent color genetic discoveries including hidden brindle carriers.

I personally wanted to verify as far back as possible where the brindle came from with the female I purchased.  I used the internet to find the imported bitch's owner that was producing the pattern and had it extremely fainly on her own legs. 
I spoke with her a few times and since she was imported was unable to get DNA any further back.

My females DNA was done, her fathers was done and her fathers mothers was done which is how the pattern was passed to my female.
All match. 

Not here to argue or debate the possibility of someone in Germany putting a dutch in there but am here to defend the color genetics that are possible.  As well as defend the various colors and other patterns that were thought to not exist in the GSD gene pool that obviously do or are the cause of a spontaneous mutation.

Such as liver, blue, ay fawn, dominant black, white spotting, piebalds, and even the Panda. 

Liver, Blue, White, white spotted/piebalds, brindles and blue merles were initially accepted in the GSD standard.  It wasn't until the powers that were decided they did not want those colors/patterns in the standard.  It was purely a personal decision with the powers that be.

Even today the decision to not allow whites to be shown is a 'personal' decision by the powers that be in the various kennel clubs.  Things can change as the generations move forward and realize the purpose for many/most here in the US of the GSD has changed.  Personal preferences are of those that desire the dogs. 

The most recent change as I understand it is the allowance of LC.  The arguement since for ever was the workability of a LC and how hot and cumbersome it would be. 

What happened to that being an excuse for not allowing them?  Personal preferences changes as have the powers that be so to speak.

Even Willis has recanted his opinion on the liver from book to book in his realization that it is just another color in the gene pool.

The sooner people are educated in the color terminology and understand it the more intelligent the whole communtiy will be instead of;

ewwww I don't like it - they look like mutts - there must be a traveling sales man in the pedigree - they can't be shown - or my personal favorite 'they are abominations'.  Really?  Seriously?  A puppy of a different color or pattern is an abomination?  C'mon folks.  It's a color or pattern.  It is still a puppy, it is still a GSD.

SO for those that have made it this far in this message and who are interested in educating themselves in how can brindles be in a breed that ORIGINALLY had brindle in the gene pool and was totally accepted ORIGINALLY then you can check out the links below. 

http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/brindle.html  
 
and for info on other colors seen in the GSD gene pool:
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogcolors.html 

Feel free to research her PhD genetic credentials.  She

You think Liver and Blue come from a spontaneous mutation??? 

"As well as defend the various colors and other patterns that were thought to not exist in the GSD gene pool that obviously do or are the cause of a spontaneous mutation.

Such as liver, blue, ay fawn, dominant black, white spotting, piebalds, and even the Panda."

MIxed breed!  Don't let the talk fool you.  Talk is talk - if you believe this brindle dog (or merle for goodness sake) is purebred, I have an oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.