opinions in selecting 10 week working pup

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by Jeff Oehlsen on 26 January 2011 - 07:01

I would like to see a video of the pups individually playing with a rag. I do not care for video with more than one pup playing if I have to make a choice. If I do not have to make a choice, then I like to watch them. : )

I like to see how the pup deals with going off with you walking away from it parents. Some pups just are not going to go off with you, and they show you something there. I like a pup that has played with you, and gotten scrubs by you, and thinks you are pretty ok and will go off with you to see what you want to do next.

I do not like scaring pups with pots or pans, that is over for me.

I like to throw a toy into a pile of something unstable to see if he just plows into it to get the toy, or dances around the edge. I like to do the same with a barrel.

I like to tease the pup a lot more, and not so much with it in his/her mouth.

I do not test pups right in front of the kennel. : ) too noisy.

by judron55 on 26 January 2011 - 16:01

I'll have to agree with tenmon....good example of how to evaluate a litter. I will post a video later of a litter...7 weeks old. Video was taken this morning....you have to know what you're looking for and looking at:-) to get what you want! This litter is here in the states but all pups are sold.

by sable59 on 26 January 2011 - 17:01

Jeff had a storm moving in and a client wanted a coupleof short videos of the 4 he had picked to pick from. i agree it is hard to get a true reading on pups when they are together. i have some 5 week videos of a previous litter from erri. i also have some 7 week ols videos posted on classified.

by tenmon on 26 January 2011 - 17:01

Jeff, some of the ideas you have presented are good ones and I would incorporate some of them in my testing/evaluation list.....for next time. If there is a next time. I was so darn happy to get rid of the bunch. Lots of poop and pee. Paper changing etc.

Oh! One thing to share. I started to run out of newspapers when I cleaned up. So what I did was to go to a local grain/feed store. A wholesale company and did some dumpster diving. They throw out these wonderful bags after they mix their seed mixes for canaries, etc. The great thing about these bags is that they are triple layered with the outside ones being water proof. I collected them and cut each in half putting the waterproof side on the down side where I lay the papers. This way the pee do not go through. Sometimes though, the sheer movement of the puppies, move the papers about and they would then later pee or poop on the concrete flooring. I don't know if this help anyone out there.

For the individual out there that asked about my puppies pedigree, I posted it sometime back when my bitch was having a problem whelping. It was a planned breeding with the objective to line on certain dogs. Each complementing each others background bring a small cross from Pike and Carmen tiekerhook with the KNPV line. But overall, both carried the fero and Grief lines via Yoshy.

The bottom line is that, each puppy left with a very nice temperament. What the owner do with them is another story. Several went to potential club members, some to be PPD and one or two just for a good companion dog. One guy lives in Alaska and he does a lot of hunting and fishing. He wanted a nice male companion/ppd. He took a dark sable. At 7-8 weeks old, most were close to 20lbs except the runt. When they left I wish them all the luck and pray they turned out as good as I think the package ingredients were.

by sable59 on 26 January 2011 - 17:01

tenmom, i was not trying to be a smart ass either. i was only stating facts .I have found on this forum, if you put something out there, someone has a lot better,stronger,bites harder etc. They will find faults no matter what you put on here. .. MY pups are put through the ringer so to speak. gunfire. kicking pan, beating the walls .all kinds of stuff. backhoes, 4 whellers ,you name it i have done it and do it. not just drop a pan. as far as age jeff, i think these pups are progressing just the way they should. hell,i just started the separation phase. it takes a while the way i do it so as not to put a lot of unnecessary stress on the pups. I know what i expect out of my dogs. ilook for that in my pups. i can tell ever one," at this point i see dual purpose on several of these pups!!!

by tenmon on 26 January 2011 - 18:01

Not a problem Sable. It just get a bit frustrating sometimes. So much negative out there. We are ok. As far as puppy breeding is concern, I'm no expert but I picked up info. from this and other sites before I ventured into this direction. It might be my last, but I now miss those little buggers biting at my legs and hands as I put down their food. You guys are the experts so I graciously bow out and let you guys do the informative stuff.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 27 January 2011 - 05:01

I think that everyone has their "thing" that makes seeing what a pup is clear for them. For me, I like to add somethings that people say, but I can see what I want from the unstable pile and the barrel when it comes to drive and confidence. Picking a puppy up and holding him a few inches off the ground shows me how quickly the dog will go into panic mode, start to go into, come out of that mode, or just hangs out. It is a confidence test for me. I don't like the roll on the back test as much. Don't know why, it is the same thing.

I like the walking away test for confidence as well as pack drive. Sometimes I will take a young pup and set him down in the middle of a grassy area and walk away real quick to see what his reaction is. I like putting puppy gates up and see if they think, or just try to climb them. If you use puppy gates, then I don't use them. These are some that I like out of the tests that I have seen.

by Bundishep on 27 January 2011 - 07:01

Tenmon is right need better test than just this to decide on the pups did not seem very high driven you need to pull something very fast to see the prey drive kick in to see how intense and many other differant test, if you want the best, your test have to be the best and not too easy and better vid quality sometimes the pups are out of the picture,i will work on getting a vid up in near future of top pups in diff tests

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