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by KYLE on 07 October 2010 - 19:10
The '67 Seiger would be lucky to get an SG rating today! How about that for the interpretation of the standard.
Where are we going with this. If you are going to mix SL to WL it has to be done with careful selection. To think that you will get the best from both sides is more than altruistic. Your going to get the bad from both sides as well. Its akin to doing an outcross breeding. You know what you might want but that does not mean nature is going to give it to you. I say stick with the WL and use those with the best structure possible. Same for SL, stick with those with the best working ability.
Kyle
Where are we going with this. If you are going to mix SL to WL it has to be done with careful selection. To think that you will get the best from both sides is more than altruistic. Your going to get the bad from both sides as well. Its akin to doing an outcross breeding. You know what you might want but that does not mean nature is going to give it to you. I say stick with the WL and use those with the best structure possible. Same for SL, stick with those with the best working ability.
Kyle
by Sunsilver on 07 October 2010 - 20:10
BTW, Preston, obviously that dog didn't make a very good impression on people who were looking for a stud. He has only one offspring registered on the database. Bodo has 47, and his look-alike brother, Bernd has 120. It's very easy to see which dog has the biggest impact on the breed. Most WL dogs of today have Bodo or Bernd listed at least once somewhere in their pedigree.
by DebiSue on 07 October 2010 - 21:10
Ibrahim,
I'm saying (in my opinion) his wither is too close to his hip and the only way to fix that is with a longer back. You know how I am about total balance and that dog is not balanced...unless he's a collie. I don't like the overly long back but I'm going by the standard and I don't think he is long enough. Check out Bodo above. He is a more balanced dog but oh, what an ugly head and no, Sunsilver, I do not like the chow heads I'm seeing now. That is a perfect description for them too.
Deb
I'm saying (in my opinion) his wither is too close to his hip and the only way to fix that is with a longer back. You know how I am about total balance and that dog is not balanced...unless he's a collie. I don't like the overly long back but I'm going by the standard and I don't think he is long enough. Check out Bodo above. He is a more balanced dog but oh, what an ugly head and no, Sunsilver, I do not like the chow heads I'm seeing now. That is a perfect description for them too.
Deb
by Ibrahim on 07 October 2010 - 21:10
DebiSue,
Yes I can see what you mean and I trust your view afterall, but I still think if his croup was a little longer and a little more protruding chest he would look much netter in proportions, If picture's proportions are correct his length to height is still within standard (113%). If it was an exam I would put your words instead of mine to make sure I pass.
Ibrahim
Yes I can see what you mean and I trust your view afterall, but I still think if his croup was a little longer and a little more protruding chest he would look much netter in proportions, If picture's proportions are correct his length to height is still within standard (113%). If it was an exam I would put your words instead of mine to make sure I pass.
Ibrahim
by beetree on 07 October 2010 - 23:10
About what Sunsilver said of Bodo's face. I much prefer his face to the shorter chow faces and loose lips seen today. And it is the face I think of when I think German Shepherd. I think it is a mistake, if today if we begin to equal longer noses, or perhaps correct length noses with a feminine aspect.
by KellyJ on 07 October 2010 - 23:10
I love the looks of this guy...It seems like alot of modern GSDs are lacking in athletism because they are so heavy built.
by ecs on 07 October 2010 - 23:10
Sunsilver, don't forget that Bodo came to the USA right after the Sieger Show and many of his possible breeding he would have had never took place. This is , therefore, a good reason he does not have the number of breedings and the number of progeny that Bernd has. What do you think? ecs
by CrysBuck25 on 08 October 2010 - 03:10
Hussan's body vs long legs reminds me strongly of Oakley. I haven't taken any recent pictures of her, but she has a small body, like above, mounted on long, long legs. Also, Hussan's shoulder looks a bit straight...upper arm, maybe?
Here's a pic of Oakley from this spring...You can see what I mean about the lean, long body and the long legs.
If I am not mistaken, there are a lot of dogs winning in the Seiger Show these days, that are...for lack of a better word...short. Like there's a slice missing out of the middle. It was pointed out earlier that the dog in the pedigree referenced in the original post on this thread, was a bit short. Yet, I see some dogs winning today in the show ring that are far shorter in height/length proportions than that dog was, and they are called correct. Do I need glasses, or am I seeing that correctly?
The workinglines dogs don't seem to be as short, but even some of them are a bit shorter than it seems like they should be.
Here's a pic of Oakley from this spring...You can see what I mean about the lean, long body and the long legs.
If I am not mistaken, there are a lot of dogs winning in the Seiger Show these days, that are...for lack of a better word...short. Like there's a slice missing out of the middle. It was pointed out earlier that the dog in the pedigree referenced in the original post on this thread, was a bit short. Yet, I see some dogs winning today in the show ring that are far shorter in height/length proportions than that dog was, and they are called correct. Do I need glasses, or am I seeing that correctly?
The workinglines dogs don't seem to be as short, but even some of them are a bit shorter than it seems like they should be.
by Sunsilver on 08 October 2010 - 03:10
Ecs, I all well aware of what happened to Bodo. 1967 was the watershed year, when Lance of Fran-Jo took GV in America, and everyone began to breed to him and his progeny. Old-fashioned dogs like Bodo were ignored, and thus began the big split and long slide downhill for the American GSD....
Kelly, I totally agree with you about modern GSDs lacking athleticism due to their heavy build!
Can you imagine one of today's Siegers doing this?
Kelly, I totally agree with you about modern GSDs lacking athleticism due to their heavy build!
Can you imagine one of today's Siegers doing this?
by leeshideaway on 08 October 2010 - 04:10
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