IS THIS STUD DOG JRD TESTED ????????. - Page 4

OK this is silly...
I have fixed the problem numerous times now and will continue to do so..I am a tenacious little sod
I dont know why this is happening perhaps Oli could find out what is going on I will pm him.

Shepherdguy,
  If it is a moderator prating around then I think they ought to grow up,
but its probably a glitch in the system...

Thanks for the help trotters123

Where there's a will there's a way

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It was not blurry when you first put it up Tigermouse, something has obviously gone wrong since then.  What happens if you modify the post?  Maybe putting it on photobucket and posting a link would do the trick if all else fails.

Margaret N-J

Tigermouse: Thank you for posted an insightful and very interesting article.

I have contacted the company personally over the last few days and asked how the test was transported, sealed and guaranteed to be sterile. They could only answer the first question about transportation - through the post!!! The second they couldn't answer convincingly and the third, well let's just say if the answer I recieved was their guarantee on sterile it is a joke.
I take any potential disorder within the breed extremely seriously and if and when available WILL do the test, however on this matter I am NOT willing to pay good money and it is quite a lot of money, especially when one has quite a few dogs which mount up, when I cannot be guaranteed that the result of said test will be accurate. This is a pointless and expensive excercise.
If there is a potentially serious problem with JRD then there needs to be a test developed which is accurate, sterile and made less expensive so it would be encouraging to ALL to take part.
Why can a British Lab not do this test, why do we have to rely on a Canadian company who cannot reassure that the result will be correct. A moot point if you ask me.
I know mistakes can be made, it is the same with everything that deals with someone opinion, sterile conditions etc. Take hip scoring, THAT can have and does have errors occur. Human error, it is opinions not fact. This JRD test SHOULD be fact as it is a chemically ran test, but it cannot be taken seriously as the way it is conducted will prove inconclusive.
Once a TRUE and ACCURATE way of testing is introduced then I feel more people will be inclined to participate until then, unfortunately there will be no trust, so therefore no testing done.

Frank

Videx I thank you for pointing out about the post of Nicky Farley's ref the Kennel Club but it still did not clear things up for ME.

However I will have to add that you are a very rude person, there are ways of pointing out someones genuine mistake or error without decrying them. Or is this how you get off?

I will say again, once there is a sterile and genuine guarantee of indentification there then sending dodgy tests over to Canada is a moot point.

I do however like the idea of the GSD breed Council setting up something but it MUST identify the dogs, be sterile AND results be published because if they are not then what is the point of it all.
Frank

Frank - I understand your concerns but you must also understand a little about DNA tests.  Even human swabs are not sterile - they come in a very similar package to the KC ones and any police officer can take the swab and certainly people are not identifiable by microchip or tattoo so why the different set of rules for animals?  All the points you make are very commendable but in real life the costs would be prohibitive and you are already cribbing about the cost of the DNA test.  Please stop trying to tar everyone with the smam brush - we are not ALL liars or crooks and we do belive that we are doing the very best for our breed and instead of trying to belittle the test you should really try and find out more information on DNA testing as a whole.  DNA is DNA and if there is any contamination there it will show up as something foreign to the sample but the largest mass is going to be the DNA sample of the dog that is being tested and that is what is being looked at.  How do you think that they manage to get DNA samples from crime scenes that are horribly defiled by all sorts of unimagineable stuff?  Every one of those different substances will have their own DNA profile.  When it comes to a swab that has been taken from a dogs mouth then there will be contamination from anything that dog may have eaten or licked etc. but the main mass of DNA will be from the dog itself.  I am sure that those who work daily in labs and with DNA sampling could explain it much more clearly than I have but after a lot of research that is my laymans view of it.  I hope that this will help some people in the decision whether or not to do a JRD test on their dog.  I think that if you have any animals with any of the highlighted dogs so far on their pedigree then it is honest thing to do to have their dog (or bitch) tested.  I would be delighted if every one of them tested clear and that the problem was somehow only in my kennel but I could only test as far back as Rena as all dogs prior to her in her pedigree were deceased but there must be a lot of dogs from those dogs out there who have not been tested and somewhere in Rena's pedigree there must have been another carrier to have passed the gene to her.  It may well have come from Elektra but all her progeny have been tested clear (other than Rena) so if it was her then that is were it stops but......................
Please also remember that the Starkstrom kennel has also found carriers in their kennel and none of the lines link into my lines at all.  This has also been well documented through Videx website.