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by Grayman on 28 October 2009 - 23:10
Anyone of you can be me, I don’t mind,
it’s just my dog that worries me,
he keeps having nightmares,
thinks he will wakeup with my head in his bed.
Graham Martin the real one I think.
it’s just my dog that worries me,
he keeps having nightmares,
thinks he will wakeup with my head in his bed.
Graham Martin the real one I think.
by Mackenzie on 29 October 2009 - 11:10
To David Payne
Firstly, if your afforded confidentiality is deserving of criticism then I will then I criticize it. Secondly, I am not criticizing you for giving your confidentiality but what appears to be your willingness to do so on an issue that affects the breed as a whole. By doing that you are agreeing to something that can be detrimental to the breed and that is not acceptable. That is what happened in the breed years ago regarding epilepsy, haemophilia etc etc . This then becomes another form of cheating as it was years ago when unsuspecting breeders used affected animals and exacerbated the problems. I have read many of your posts where you have castigated people, sometimes with the worst sort of profanity, because they have been secretive or cheating and, as I said, I am surprised that you have entered this arena of confidentiality (secrecy) on an issue such as this. I would commend those breeders that upon finding the problem in their kennel they have removed the dogs from their breeding programme. However, there may be others who do not act so honourably.
As the breed has now identified this problem through your good efforts and it is in relatively small numbers, as far as we know, this is the best time for breeders to come forward and be open with the problem. When a breeder makes what would be considered sufficient enquiries on health issues before a mating but then comes up with something new, they can in no way be criticized for the fact that they have produced the problem, simply because they did not know the problem existed. There is no stigma at this point. It is what happens next that is more important and by being open it gives everyone a chance to be aware and take care. The breeders reputation is then enhanced and appreciated by other breeders who may also step forward if they have the problem.
The actual source of the JRD, as far as I know, has not yet been identified, therefore, it is important for breeders to see the pedigree’s of the affected animals and see how many of those animals appear in their own bloodlines. The full effects of this disease may not be known yet within the breeds that have had it for some time but their information will, or should be, much further down the line than we are at this time. We should draw on that experience and see how it relates to our own. Breeders have to remember that inbreeding on a problem knowingly, or, unknowingly will stamp the problem in for generations.
Breeders should also establish worst case scenario of the disease and, the probability of that occurring. In a mild form the disease may not be too detrimental and, if this is the case supported by good medical and scientific evidence, breeders may not have to be too concerned. If possible the disease should be treated as a high priority until such evidence is produced and, if possible, eradicated before it gets a real grip on the breed.
Mackenzie
Firstly, if your afforded confidentiality is deserving of criticism then I will then I criticize it. Secondly, I am not criticizing you for giving your confidentiality but what appears to be your willingness to do so on an issue that affects the breed as a whole. By doing that you are agreeing to something that can be detrimental to the breed and that is not acceptable. That is what happened in the breed years ago regarding epilepsy, haemophilia etc etc . This then becomes another form of cheating as it was years ago when unsuspecting breeders used affected animals and exacerbated the problems. I have read many of your posts where you have castigated people, sometimes with the worst sort of profanity, because they have been secretive or cheating and, as I said, I am surprised that you have entered this arena of confidentiality (secrecy) on an issue such as this. I would commend those breeders that upon finding the problem in their kennel they have removed the dogs from their breeding programme. However, there may be others who do not act so honourably.
As the breed has now identified this problem through your good efforts and it is in relatively small numbers, as far as we know, this is the best time for breeders to come forward and be open with the problem. When a breeder makes what would be considered sufficient enquiries on health issues before a mating but then comes up with something new, they can in no way be criticized for the fact that they have produced the problem, simply because they did not know the problem existed. There is no stigma at this point. It is what happens next that is more important and by being open it gives everyone a chance to be aware and take care. The breeders reputation is then enhanced and appreciated by other breeders who may also step forward if they have the problem.
The actual source of the JRD, as far as I know, has not yet been identified, therefore, it is important for breeders to see the pedigree’s of the affected animals and see how many of those animals appear in their own bloodlines. The full effects of this disease may not be known yet within the breeds that have had it for some time but their information will, or should be, much further down the line than we are at this time. We should draw on that experience and see how it relates to our own. Breeders have to remember that inbreeding on a problem knowingly, or, unknowingly will stamp the problem in for generations.
Breeders should also establish worst case scenario of the disease and, the probability of that occurring. In a mild form the disease may not be too detrimental and, if this is the case supported by good medical and scientific evidence, breeders may not have to be too concerned. If possible the disease should be treated as a high priority until such evidence is produced and, if possible, eradicated before it gets a real grip on the breed.
Mackenzie
by Jago on 29 October 2009 - 17:10
LOL Grayman, surely the worst nightmare your dog could have would be to dream that senile drawers(TM) AKA David Payne would be it's owner?!
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