Top PRODUCING Stud in Europe? - Page 3

Over here the line of Tom van't Leefdaalhof is brilliant also through his Son Eros von Mohnwiese twice world Champion and Tom was world Champion as was his G Father, Now the son of Eros is first selected for the Belgian team for the WUSV later this year, and i certainly got in quick to have a daughter from him in 2 weeks time, Present day top breeding proven blood thoughtout Europe, cannot say for the USA
Steve

So Steve1 you have the best dogs in Belgium and best trainers i think every one who knows any thing about working german shepherds would agree with that .so you no excuse not to make it to the podium with this puppy.when it comes to trainers you have no idea how lucky u r.have a nice one. and you are right about Tom Leefdalhof. i think the dog was great and i have a great son from him through Vito Waldwinkle so i know first hand what can come out of Tom's lines. i watch Tom training vedio some times and i think this is as good as a dog ever going to get.have a nice one.

vikram , in knpv nick is mainly found trough one dog , and thats a haus ming dog
haus ming bred several good dogs in knpv also not nick related

if you say a certain dog produced very well in knpv and/or sport  ,you should be able to find the offspring somewhere , dont you think

check the records and point them out , easy as that to prove your point
if you check breedingrecords its easy to say what studs are used most

PS explain keybord happy, please

Held
You are saying the best Dogs and best Trainers are in Belgium, i have not said that although we have very good of both, What the thread should say is what is the present day top stud is, So many great dogs are long gone and it is the progeny of these dogs which make up the above title today, and it is now that counts more than the past because what is now can be ruined very fast, so that is why Quality and Working is to me a must in the breed
If you go too many generations with any live stock Animal or bird without testing it then it will deteriorate, sometimes beyond repair, So only the very best should be bred from even then only a percentage will be good so the chance of a couch potato bred from couch potatoes doing the breed any favours is very much a spent force before it begins
Regards my Pup Izzy reaching the Podium, I will know by the time she is 14 weeks old if there is a chance of that, for the first 7 or 8 weeks of having her will tell a great amount, I hope she does and she will have a lot of help not only from me but from people far more knowledgeable than i am
But as far as Bonding which to me is very important and as far as Obedinace is concerened that has never been a problem for  me, She will be bought along steady but firmly as she grows on, You may say she will be in good hands
Yes Tom was a great Dog i was in the Village he was born only last week, another great tough Dog was Nick
Steve

I have enough data to back me up on what I'm saying. Do some looking around and you will find( Give or take some) that most of the dogs which are doing anything in the sport world or on the street have these lines in them especially Nick Lines in the recent times. Nick was bred to some crappy bitches too but much less randomly than Fero was. Fero was bred to a lot of crappy females. However if you notice look at Nick's progenies and you will see for yourself. Speaking of the website you highlighted if you look at the messageboard or just post a question on that particular website (in dutch)  regarding Nick you will get your answers also Max.

cheers

as the original question - let me regress a bit

Current living dog  - PRODUCING - meaning - has progeny titled, being titled, koered, at LGA levels minimum - must have been used a bit - not just a few litters under 2

Nick is dead - Olex is dead - Fero is dead

Looking to breed a female hypothetically - WHO ?  NO handler aggression, good prey AND active aggression and produces same - LIVING DOG available at stud - SG or V KKL and Schh3

Bomber?  Sorry - GREAT Looking dog.  Sch1??? hundreds of show dogs make Sch3 every year.  Word is that this dog is NOT CLEAR in the head, control issues etc  - in Germany any dog not making Schh3 to me is suspect!  Maybe he produces good looks and drives if bred to a strong calm lower drive - bitch can fix his issues maybe - want more than looks - asking for a dog with Production Record - current male

I saw some sons of Zender vom lusondai, really super.

Zender is a super Dog and his services are very much sought after over here, I will see at least three off  him tonight working at the training club, on another thread i put 'EROS von der MOHNWIESE 'as a fast up coming breeding dog over here his children going well in Belgian Champonships and WUSV championship His credencials are
5 + times WUSV
2 +  time  WUSV Champion
4+ times BELGIUM Champion
ScHh3
IPO 3
KKL2
that cannot be bad
Steve

Ronny has good Eros son - but I know Eros  is not easy breeder and much less used than Ellute - Como interesting for sure!   What is out of Buffy or Hasko at trials now?

Looked at Inox h Ming - but do not want combination with so much Mink

Zender is good - do you have stats on what he has PRODUCED - other than Furby P.
how many titled progeny?  at what level competing?

 Runninonempty, Sch1??? hundreds of show dogs make Sch3 every year. Word is that this dog is NOT CLEAR in the head, control issues etc - in Germany any dog not making Sch3 to me is suspect!

Bomber, is Sch 2 99-91-96, Was told he'll be going for sch3 soon.  Please don't  believe "the word" unless you seen the dog with your own eyes. Very good breeders are using Bomber even though he isn't sch 3. That tells me bomber brings more than looks. These kennels could just as easily pick some popular sport dog or they could pick from dozens of better known dogs to make more sells. They are picking Bomber because they feel he adds something to their breeding program. Take a look at the whole litter. His litter mate Bandit, is now in the US and getting breeding's from some really good breeders here. He may produce great dogs they may be shit eaters. Who knows? 

I wouldn't excluded any dog because of lacking at sch title. Look at Como vom Rurdamm. Ask about him? I think he's owned by a top competitor. Some very good Kennels have used him even though he is only sch 1. 

 steve1 have you seen any of  Como vom Rurdamm's progeny in Belgium how are they doing?