The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 92

Hired dog - You should have realised from my posts that I am not an out and out show person. I do confess that in my first two years of the breed and being a newbie I did go down that road for the first two years. Nothing wrong in that. I then went down the German route and eventually joined the SV because I realised that it was a better way to go. As for your comment "there is no convincing a show person that their lines are NOT capable of work" it just makes me laugh because you and others will not come to terms with the fact that the dogs can work.

You have also misread my comment in an earlier thread because I have never asserted, as you suggest, that you or anyone else goes out to test 1000 dogs. Read the exact comment that I made and take it in the context in which it is written. Your other comment "The breed is supposed to be a WORKING dog which means that ANY and ALL breeders in the GSD should be striving to produce working animals" is one that I wholeheartedly agree with but having done that if they then want to show that animal is does not make the dog any less of a working dog.

This topic probably has been done to death for some people but I only commented on the fact that so many people were still following a thread despite no comments posted. Nothing more, I have not asked anyone to contribute, or, pursue it further so there is nothing wrong with that just because you do not like it. Nobody is making you read it or even contribute anything towards it, that is your choice alone.

I agree with the last sentence of your post and perhaps you should bang that drum to some of your colleagues on the working side who really believe that their dogs are the full monty.

Mackenzie

Mac, please show me those show dogs doing actual street work, than we can laugh together.

I did not misread your comment Mac, you wrote it, several people read it, all were accused of misreading it, is that possible? The people I know who own and work dogs look at the show ring as a joke and not something that would help make their animals better working dogs, so, why bother showing anything, what benefit does it bring a working dog?

You are correct, I and I alone choose to come in here and post, but, it gets old Mac, very old, very fast to talk about the same thing over and over with no end result.

As far as my colleagues Mac, none compete, all have working dogs, most non registrable, some with papers they never bothered to send to the KC because again, of what benefit is that and they and I know full well that when a working dog bites, his looks account for nothing.

Hired Dog - you and all of your friends that you allege read my post need reading lessons.  To help you please read what I wrote very slowly. Here is a copy of my comment

"Interesting comments, however, just how many dogs from the show line animals has each of these trainers, breeders, owners, competitors actually attempted to train? Anything less that say 100, 200 maybe a 1000 is too small a number to condemn the show line animals as a whole as a complete write off. I think that in some cases is just a case of one look at the pedigree and that is it, or, I will try for you but don’t hold your breath, or, just a half hearted attempt.

This argument that show line can’t do the job is just an attempt to support the working dog case. Once the numbers regarding the testing of dogs reaches significant numbers and illustrates the case in practical terms then the argument is not proved in condemnation of the show line dogs.

I am not trying to make a case for the show lines here because I have said quite clearly in my posts that I would like to see better performances from that side of the fence"

Now you tell me where it asserts that you or anyoe else should go out and test 1000 dogs.  I very clearly did not make those assertions and you and your friends did not read the post and not only is it possible they have got it wrong it is made definite from your comments.

If you have a video of your own street dog then show it for the benefit of the readers.

Mackenzie

Hired Dog, I am for the most part a "show person" also. I think the difference is that I have actually bred and exhibited winning show dogs and I know that there is a long list of  criteria that must be met to get to the front of the class and character is often not at the top of the list needed to win.

I thought my cattle anagoly was very good Mac. The point being no one can train what is not there. All GSD are not created equal and no amount of political correct blather will ever change that.

You mean because of the word "train" instead of "test"? You are not serious Mac, are you, really?

I have no video of my dog, never did of any of my dogs actually, a few pics here and there, but, I have never been big on publicity either, however, dont turn this around, this was about YOU and your claims.

Never mind, not relevant to the topic.

Hired Dog - You are right I should have said train but yes I am serious.   Show me sufficient evidence that I am wrong in what I have said.  Why should I, or, anyone else take your word and that of your friends.  You are too few in numbers to prove experience and that the show dogs are unable to work.  Quite frankly most of the time you are talking rubbish.

It comes as no surprise to me that you have no video to show as there is not much opportunity in a shopping mall to show what your dog can do.  This is about you and the opinions that you try to force on to other readers.

Mackenzie

Finally, the real Mac shows his face, I have been waiting....I will not waste my time showing you anything, the facts are there for all to see, you just happen to be blind. 

I am not sure whom you refer to as "my friends", probably those who did not agree with your drivel, however, I assure you that the rubbish is coming from your side of the pond sir, always did and I humored you...

In closing, I do not live near a shopping mall, do not frequent them as I find them overpriced and the fact that I am not big on vids or pics is something I have had to contend with my whole life with my family that claims once I am dead, there wont be any pics or vids of me.  My dog works every day, 12-16 hours and while I believe everyone has opinions, you included, I speak of facts and reality and there is no need for me to force anything on anyone, people who want to, can actually see reality. It seems that this thread and the postings you have received have pushed you in uncomfortable places you dont want to be in, may I suggest you stop now, before you feel even more inclined to become more defensive? Have a great night sir.

Why then are the showline people dumped on because they don't want to post videos here? Why must they show videos to prove they are not talking smack?

Blitzen, if you are speaking to me my dear, I have NEVER asked anyone to post anything personal here or anywhere. This is the World Wide Web and you have no control of who is watching whom and what happens to anything you post or say on it. I value my privacy and respect others privacy as well. 

I have seen a few vids that people have posted here of their dogs and their kids and I wince when they do, its not something I am comfortable doing for strangers whom I dont know, never will meet to look at, thats it. If you want to post something of yours, by all means, I would not, but, thats me.

When I asked for vids to support a claim, I did not and will NEVER ask for personal ones, there are millions of them on Youtube and I am sure in many other places.