For Those Who Test For DM, What Age? - Page 9

A database based on a flawed test and faulty science. Let me explain one of the problems. When someone is looking for a pup they are told to only buy from a reputable breeder who health tests their dogs for DM,. The potential buyer is never educated by the person giving advice the concerns about the validity of the test or how the test is to be used by a breeder. There is no way someone would buy anything but a pup from "clear parents". It's just human nature not to trust anything labeled a "carrier" in a pedigree. 

It won't help anybody but the people who rely on DNA testing to hook uneducated public into buying their dogs.

Why do you think the current test for DM is flawed? What proof do you have? Seriously, I'm not trying to start another arguement, just trying to understand what you know that I don't.

I don't agree that no one will buy "anything but a pup from clear parents". My female is a carrier and that has never been kept a secret from buyers of her puppies.  It is listed here on her pedigree information. After her status was learned, she was bred to normals, most of her pups were sold to experienced buyers, all knew that, none cared.

I looked at many of the ads here and didn't see one single ad that mentioned DM or the status of the parents.

Here's an ad that mentions DM:

DAM-  ______________ GERMAN WL, SABLE GIRL

SHE HAS HER BH, OFA GOOD & NORMAL ELBOWS, DM TESTED

No mention of the status of the sire or the results of the "DM test"

 

Another from Germany-  Free of N/N testet  I'm not sure what that means.

These are examples ,then I'll leave this endless debate;
' If he is a carrier "I" would be sure to find a female with several generations of testing NN for DM.' Had a man tell me he was looking for dm 'clear' female because his vet told him stud breeders will be afraid to breed to females that are DM 'carriers', that they will infect the male. Wtf.

Well, that's Nan's personal opinion, I doubt that she speaks for everyone.. I hope you don't leave this endless debate until you say why you think this test is flawed and show the proof. Many here look up to you for information about the breed. Otherwise it's just a personal opinion just like that quote from Nan.

Had a man tell me he was looking for dm 'clear' female because his vet told him stud breeders will be afraid to breed to females that are DM 'carriers', that they will infect the male. Wtf.

This is probably one of the guys who bought one of those doggy butt patches off the net to cure his dog of homosexuality.  If this dog allows his temp to be taken rectally, he must be gay, right.? I have heard that statement more than once. No accounting for some people's gross lack of intelligence.

'I don't agree that no one will buy "anything but a pup from clear parents". '. Doesn't look like you were talking about science study, but personal opinions.
As for the 'flawed' aspect, anybody who wants to know needs to read the articles by the researchers, same as I've done, not take my word for it.

Nan's 'personal opinion' is not based nor supported by any source or study.
Look at the post at the top of page 11, I believe that's the post you are questioning.

Not a personal opinion at all, Joan, a fact that not everyone will refuse to buy a pup out of a carrier parent. There were 8 reservations on that litter out out my carrier female before I got her. That breeder had absoluely no problem selling any of her pups. Do many even ask you if your dogs are tested when they buy one of your dogs? I get a number of calls every month asking for referrals to breeders and not one has ever mentioned DM to me.

Are those articles you read backed up with proof? I haven't seen any that were. Do you have links to them so I can read them too? All I've read was he said, she said or I know of a dog that tested NN that died from DM (no autopsy) or I heard of a dog that was tested 3 times with 3 different results or Clemmons was right, the OFA is wrong. Ergo the DNA test for DM is not valid for all GSD's and I don't use it. Maybe that's right, but it's going to take more than some anecdotal talk to convince the research world that a DNA test is flawed.

I was asking anyone who has an answer why they think the test is flawed and where is the proof. Coates wants to see the proof, so does the GSDCA.