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 Quote: And for Mr. Oehlsen, Why are you so condescending to people that do not do Mondio or see things the way that you see them? 

Since you cannot hear me, how I am saying things is not a factor. However, your perceptions based on how you see things will effect how things "seem". Many many people get really pissed off on internet forums. However, put the same two people in a room, and they will get along for the most part. 

The other thing I would like to point out is many people either skim, or just have really bad reading comprehension. Something to keep in mind. I have posted many times and seen the response I get and wonder just what the fuck I wrote, and then, what the fuck did you read into this ?

Lastly dog people are sort of a sensitive group. I do not come from the sensitive group. From the way so many people respond, I could never hang out with these people, as they would be in tears all the time. My friends and I are not PC, you will never see me telling anyone how hurt they are making others, mostly because I don't read that into what is written. It is used as a defense mechanism to protect them from percieved bullying, or because they do not have an arguement.

Quote: Sch is an excellent venue for everything from people that want to get into higher levels of competition all the way down to the person that wants to do something with their personal dog that they love.

See this is where we will never see eye to eye. They whored out the sport, and made the titles mean fuck all. The guy that goes out and busts his ass with a really good dog, has to share that with some scrag shitter. Never thought that maybe the guys that are working the hard dogs don't want to share the title with shitters. Or how about the freely handed out "pronounced" ??

I have said this many times, but I guess that was not what you wanted to remember, you just want to assume that I bash it all the time. which makes an ass out of you. How many of my posts have you written there fuck bubble ? I have no idea who you are and I guess maybe you should say who you are. I find it amusing when people do not pay attention, and as an added bonus, since you can go back and re-read posts, just make guesses as to how things really are. Maybe you should look a little more carefully.

Quote: Maybe it's just a bad attitude or some subconscious dislike of police, or even trying to bolster your own insecurities, but whatever the case is, there are people coming to these forums to learn and to get honest advice without reading the harsh statements and berating that you do for some reason.

Both my Grandfathers were Chicago police officers. Oooops, there goes that theory. Could have read that in there as well. As far as people getting to learn ?? Are you kidding me ? Have you read what some of these people write ?? Oh, wait, I already pointed out that you are not paying attention.

Quote:  It has nothing at all to do with fear of competition as much as I don't want to take any time

I have no idea why you would write this.....unless it is just whatshisname posting under another name for some reason. Did I ask you to, and just don't remember ?? I hear this shit from people all the time that hang out with different clubs. It is that whole having to start from the beginning and look like a retard thing. It is ok, you have been training for 18 years. I think you are full of shit, and couldn't do the control work necessary, but hey, you don't have any time. 

Quote: but more often than not in the same thread, you are telling someone that they suck, their dog sucks, their sport sucks, and on and on. It has to be getting old to alot more people than just me

Hoping to God that someone will chime in ?? Since you don't have any time, how wo

 I found a short vid of duncan at his first job. 

http://www.funnyordie.co.uk/videos/cc81c04b5b/carol-burnett-show-speedo-airlines-from-carolburnettfan

Just an FYI Jeff, I am not "whatshisname", I am the other Jim from WDF, Jim Howe.

You proved my point though, I posted wondering why you post the way that you do, and you didn't let me down, your response was condescending, not to mention you added a little name calling in for good measure. Lol! If you do not perceive your method of posting as condescending, you need to have a little less distortion in your life. Cut out the caffeine, the alcohol, get more sleep,... whatever it takes. This, and other forums, are places in public view where people come to discuss and learn about their dogs and their training. Conducting yourself like you are sitting at the corner bar or in a locker room somewhere probably won't sit well especially with newcomers who may get the wrong idea of what is being conveyed or even their fear of posting because they don't want to be slammed for asking questions. It's not "PC", it is common courtesy and common sense.

I asked you these things because I actually have read the threads where you posted, and there was no reason to call someone else's sport "gay", tell another person that they are on crack, challenging Slamduc and others to compete in your sport .. spiced up with plenty of derogative comments added in as to why you believe that he/they can't. Basically this all comes down to other forum members not "seeing" things the way that you do. And no, you did not "ask me" to compete in mondio, I was just making a point that our training goals are vastly different in comparing mondio to PSD. Your trialing is on a field, with experienced decoys, and a controlled environment, where your safety is not in jeapardy, and if you get a few points off, you still get to go home at the end of the day. A LE K-9 trialing takes place in an unfamiliar building (among other places), on a real call or burglary in progress,  with a "decoy" that may or may not be armed, who knows your coming, and very possibly has a vantage point.

Please understand, Mondio as well as other sports train for and exhibit a fantastic amount of control, but the goal is different. I work an urban environment with with a higher crime rate per capita than most larger cities. The training that I conduct, which is based on my knowledge from doing this job for 23 years and being in the K-9 Unit since early 1992, is focused on officer safety and teaching each handler how his/her dog works, why the dog works the way he does, how to "read" their dog, as well as trying to add as much realism into every scenario. A secondary issue which is equally important is teaching current federal, state and local case law as it applies. A bad bite in any sport, and you leave apologizing and feeling a little bad that your dog injured someone. For LE K-9, a bad bite means a lawsuit, where both the department, the handler and the trainer are named in the lawsuit.  There are just some things that show commendable control in sport, that is not conducive to LE. Control is paramount in PSD or in any sport, they are just approached, trained for, and put into actual usage differently.  We should be learning from each other, not beating up each others training venue.  

 And you proved my point, by giving your resume complete with all the bad guys, and your "control". I don't consider a leash control. LOL

By the way, I have no idea who you are. You feel that I am condecending, and I am goofing. See how that works ? It is YOUR perception of who I am based on your OWN insecurities. LOL I guess that explanation slipped over your head.

Ever seen how my dog heels ? I don't expect everyone to have a sense of humor, I can see that you don't, but thats ok, we all don't have to be the same. If you cannot see the humor there, I guess your kinda fucked.

As far as  adding realism to your training, how dumb do you think a dog is ? LOL There is always that giant arm presented, or the same guy you always work with, or the arm is presented the same way only this time with a hidden sleeve, which of course the dog can smell. We call that resume propping. LOL

Quote: A bad bite in any sport, and you leave apologizing and feeling a little bad that your dog injured someone. For LE K-9, a bad bite means a lawsuit,

Is this some attempt at showing the amazing "control" that we both know your dogs do not possess ? Just show a video.

You came on here in an attempt to control me, control my actions, and WOW how's that working for you ? LOL 

Funny, I still have no idea who you are, but you cannot argue for shit.

Duncan is a power freak. Did you see how pissed he got with the arguement from WDF ??? Even the mods commented on it. Couldn't argue his point, can't show his work, and just not used to people talking back and telling him he is fucked in the head. LOL

Who is Duncan? 

Where is Duncan?

Enquiring minds need to know...

SteveO

Bu Inu,
Good post, very good points.

Lol! You really should give up the booze Jeff. It distorts not only your limited understanding of other training venues which you have shown that you nothing about, and it distorts how you see yourself as well.

Quote:" I don't consider a leash control."
 In practice, OB is done both on and off leash, in actual use, always on leash. I don't expect you to understand why, so I won't explain.
 
Quote: "There is always that giant arm presented, or the same guy you always work with, or the arm is presented the same way only this time with a hidden sleeve, which of course the dog can smell. We call that resume propping."
You forgot about the wrap over a gauntlet and muzzle work, the fact that we work with numerous decoys, the decoys lay, stand, sit, sit in vehicles, climb ladders....never mind,... you already know all this because you kow everything.

Quote: " Is this some attempt at showing the amazing "control" that we both know your dogs do not possess ?"
 Again, distorted view and inability to comprehend what was written. Stop drinking Jeff! Lol!

Jeff, you have a limited amont of knowledge in one training venue (and it shows) and alot of assumptions on all others. Come back in a few years and we'll talk. You very obviously have a lot to learn. BTW... you ever get to use your dog for real? I know how mine work in actual scenarios that we train for. Tell me about the "real" bites you've had .... the arrests you've made finding a real suspect... how your dog saved your life or saved you from harm. Oh, and me nor my handlers( that have had those real bites and apprehensions) have ever made that aprehension on a suspect wearing a "sleeve", so I guess the smelling te sleeve theory is shot! So, please enlighten all of us to your vast experience that shows how all of your training has paid off.

Oh, and here, the latest use of one of my teams making an apprehension. And guess what Jeff, No Sleeve, no clatter stick, no whistles, no horns, and real pressure for the dog and the handler, as the dog was being kicked and punched by the suspect....and the dog didn't release until the suspect surrendered and the dog was called off. Again,... I know my dogs work. Tell me about yours!
 http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=222312 

Bu Inu,
Great comments, but you know you are wasting your time.  I have also thought Jeff must have a drinking problem or is in need of mental health counseling.  He seems to be a little unstable, with some serious mood swings.  Arguing with him is pointless and just serves to feed the troll in him. 

Much to my surprise and delight he actually made a nice commet comment to the OP and didn't say anything negative. 

Jeff, my issue with you and still is; is how you treat people and how you berate and beliittle people on a public forum.  Any one that doesn't have an exceptional mali and doesn't do Mondio is just  a target for you to insult and bash.  Any one who does any dog sport other than Mondio is to be ridiculed at every opportunity. 

Do you remember being new to dog sport?  Do you remember trying to learn and being a sponge trying to absorb all of the training tips and advice that you could?  Weren't you like that at some point?  Didn't you ever make newbie mistakes with your dog?  How would you have felt if someone treated you the way you treat others?  Wasn't there anyone that had some experience that took the time to help or guide you to learn in dog sports?  Perhaps, you could be a help to people without being such a jerk all the time? 

Steve,
Jeff O is referring to me.  We had a disagreement on a diiferent forum when I called him out for being a pompus ass.  I guess he is still mad about it. 

Jeff, the only comment the mods made on that thread were that you were wrong.  I didn't see them comment on what I said.  Post the link.  People were pissed at you for ruining a good thread with your BS.

Jim

 Quote: Lol! You really should give up the booze Jeff.

I was thinking the same of you. I find it amusing that your first attempt at an argument is again, "How could this guy speak to me like that ? He must be drunk". LOL You have had so many people going along with what you say, you forget that there are those of us that WILL question you. Sorry since it obviously offends you so much, but you will have to live with it, like Duncan.

Quote:  in actual use, always on leash

There is a real reason for that isn't there ? This imaginary control you have. LOL 

Quote: You forgot about the wrap over a gauntlet and muzzle work, the fact that we work with numerous decoys, the decoys lay, stand, sit, sit in vehicles, climb ladders

Still propping up that resume I see. Lets go back to whoopie do.  I doubt that the decoys do much in the way of anything different. Same old shit, you just assume that people will be so impressed. 

Quote: Quote: " Is this some attempt at showing the amazing "control" that we both know your dogs do not possess ?"
Again, distorted view and inability to comprehend what was written. Stop drinking Jeff! Lol!

Nice start to your argument. However, I doubt that you posses the ability to come up with something that I am unable to understand. 

Quote: Jeff, you have a limited amont of knowledge in one training venue (and it shows) and alot of assumptions on all others. Come back in a few years and we'll talk. You very obviously have a lot to learn. BTW... you ever get to use your dog for real?

Ah, the old tiny penis argument. You obviously have not read anything I have written. Maybe you go back and look, and then you will truly understand how stupid you should feel with that getting to use my dog "for real" argument. You are looking like a tool for sure.  There is a big assumption there that you know what I have or have not trained. I show what I do, where are your videos ?? That little article where some pussy cop let his dog get the beat down doesn't impress me.

Quote:  No Sleeve, no clatter stick, no whistles, no horns, and real pressure for the dog and the handler, as the dog was being kicked and punched by the suspect....and the dog didn't release until the suspect surrendered and the dog was called off. Again,... I know my dogs work. Tell me about yours!

WOW. Lets look at how you do not understand "pressure". Is pressure what YOU think it is, or is it what the DOG thinks it is. From your statement, it is clear that you do not know. I want you to do some homework, and go try and find where I want my dog to bite for "real". LOL You crack me up. 

 

Don't know where you are with the dog or what has happened, but I would have to agree with Jeff, although his presentation was crass. If you really bought this dog for protection, I would find a nice pet home for it and buy a dog more suitable for the job. You are going to have to live with this dog for 10-14 years. I would give it away for free or very cheap to the best home I could find. To me it's funny that when a dog is too much for someone, it is perfectly fine with everyone on here to find a new home, but when it is not enough it is wrong to rehome it. Why? Wouldn't it be better to find a family that will spend 100% of their time with the dog opposed to the OP who wants something else and will have to spend more time with another dog that fulfills what they need?