Schutzhund Dog and Personal Protection Dog - Page 8

? that dog is a Schutzhund 3....and she's a female

Not sure why you feel the need to critisize her...I was just sharing my experience.

These dogs you are dropping names of...you have seen them do PPD work or are you evaluating their SchH performance.  I'm sure they are great dogs..don't don't be so ignorant to pass judgement from one 10 second video of mine.  Never claimed she was the Mac daddy of dogs...she is only a schH dog that I have cross trained in several venues with...and was sharing what I learned.

I was explaining why that excersise was not good to do with Schutzhund dogs since you asked.

I am sory & didn't realize she was schh3. Or a "FEMALE " WHICH IS BETTER YET. Good job.

GSDfan, that exercise is done often in our PSA club. I love it. IMO, it tells you a lot about a dog.

Your dog (I'm assuming it's yours) looks great... so many Sch dogs will take the sleeve and just be done for the day. I love to see dogs that obviously know to bite the man, not the equipment.

No problem...thank you

The only point I have been trying to make is I have seen many schH dogs "particularly males" who would protect their owners without question and with no specilized ppd training in a practical situation. And I'm not talking "could. do it" but will do it in an instance and with authority. Dogs that willseriously hurt someone And if no one here has not seen this type of dog it does say a lot of what is at the local club level. I have seen iwo in person and I can tell you I didn't need to see that dog do any ppd work. The foaming at the mouth when I walked by his kennel told me enough. Sid vom haus gremm "the producer of many hard dogs" not so much in the hips though :( was a fricking beast. I seen videos of this dog "in training" not just on trial day and I can assure you any who got tangled up with that dog is in for the fight of their life. Sid was not for the feint at heart. Does anyone here know the history on that dog? And he went on to high level competition once he had a handler that could hadle him...lol

Those who train both SCH/sport or for security/police of course also train the dogs outside the SCH-program, training only a SCH-routine for a PP-dog makes no sense.

I have handled and done helper work in SchH....in addition witnessed hundreds of dogs being trained over the years.
I have handled and am a certified decoy in PSA...Decoyed for and witnessed just about as many being trained

I have seen many SchH dogs cross over to PSA....some did it pretty smoothly, some had issues that were VERY surpising considering how strong they looked on an IPO sleeve.  One of these dogs would not bite on the carjack in trial....not because he was crappy, only because he did not have enough TRAINING. A month or two later no problems with the carjack in trial.

I have assisted with training, decoyed for and trained cops to be decoys for an in-house Police K9 training program.  The dogs were totally green with zero foundation when we started.  The dog that initially looked the strongest on the sleeve took the MOST work on the hidden sleeve.  He's had several live bites so far and I wish I could post a video fo him doing muzzle work, super dog.


I guess I am just a person that will not say my dog WILL do something unless I trained them for it or put them through the scenario first.  and with Ema 99% of the things we did for the first time at Police K9 seminars with my "SchH dog", were no problem....even out performing some seasoned street dogs....but I went into it knowing she is civil and will bite regardless of equipment.

...but, you never really know until you put a dog in that very situation.  I have seen dogs that do fine on a forearm sleeve... you put them on a bicep, close to the decoys face, and they will not stay on the bite (without more training).

In terms of SchH dogs crossing over to PSA and Police K9....I don't think I have ever seen a dog go from a Schutzhund sleeve to a bicep sleeve, suit or hidden sleeve and work like he'd been doing it for years in the first session....some strong dogs are good enough to be confident and strong within a few sessions....others, take a few months.

Personally....I am not doubting certain SchH only trained dogs (SchH only -meaning the dog never bit a helper without a SchH sleeve) would take the initial civil bite...or reacting to a real scenario in defense of his handler...I personally doubt these dogs would stay on the bite.....without being given at minimum, some civil training to at least let them know the decoy is fair game without equipment...at max create scenarios with hidden sleeves in your house, neighborhood and car away from the training field.   


JMO

 

quick question do you guys think a schutzund dog has a better chance on protecting its owner than a non shutzund trained gsd ? just a simple working gsd with no training but OB training?

Destiny, it all depends on the dog. SchH can't hurt. It builds their confidence. Your question should ask if the SAME dog will protect, but then again, it depends on the dog.

Eisen, I had a Iwo daughter that was nasty. Tom grandaughter too. (Wrong thread?) Super high prey. Tom trainor had Iwo then. That is a breeder that bred the type of dog you're talking about.