GSD breeder for ring sport? - Page 8

johann

I do care that breeders bred their females to dogs that have high score in schh because many off them are not above average I dont say all off them but mostly I can start writing them all down here witch dogs many have breed from the BSP or WUSV not many of them I would use almost no one is above average because it is I and alot others that are the buyers off these under average dogs and I dont want to buy any off them, many off them don't have genetic drive, and the breeders don't know



Vasvo I wanted to use because off his french lines in his pedigree almost no schh titled dogs are in this pedigree not because of his score eccept Nick and Aly , and he has drive alot above average his preydrive and drives are very high due to his french lines



I don't like Kimbo or his offspring I have seen plenty off them or grandchildren they are ugly and not my kind off dog
The danish has used him alot almost only the danish and swedish people have used him
Lexus and many off his offspring are nothing above average

and we have alot offspring in sweden and denmark
I see alot more drive in the dogs I like than those dogs that look good only because they have the skillled handler

daryl

I have been in contact with Koos and He was very kind and I told him that I would like to buy a pup someday when I have the space and time for a puppy from these lines

many kennels and offspring off Kimbo like hajen,jabina ,satoris ,ængbacken i sverige these are nothing special about this offspring they have all average drive for a working dog nothing exstreme in either prey or hunt drives

We have raised a few dogs currently in Mondio Ring training. Eight puppies from our kennel are now working in Mondio clubs.
All W German with some Czech lines coming from the sire Lasso Bett Silver, videos are of one of our pups at 14 weeks doing bite imprinting on leg and other video is a black year male also starting bitework.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flrgP0Glu3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0R-Trudf0


Videos of the MR2 male, Lasso Bett Silver, we have used. Currently we are expecting another litter from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhsQGRyC24g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEf7lq1jAu4

Thanks,

cindy

gieskeworkingdogs.com

Need more tension on the leash, you will get a better bite in, if that is what you are going for. Personally, and this sucks, but I have found that if a dog just bites what he can get, and doesn't bite in, you get a lot more decoys willing to work your dog. LOL

How is the dog aggression in those pups ? I saw a couple that looked like they had a good dose of it. I hope they all get their 3. Don't make me come there dammit. : )

I like Lasso, them to hurry up and get his three, or Esko is going to get there first. LOL

Whatever Judron.  I could give a fuck. It's not what you implied. Just sayin'. ;-)

johann

I never look at points when Im looking at a dog I really dont care much how the dog scores in schh I would never breed points I would breed or buy  what I think is good and have the drive I like, I certainly think that both Lubeck or Inox or Vasco Du val des hurles, lary von der staatsmacht ,have much more drive than many off these Kimbo grandchildren many off them though.

I like RING Sport  and the KNPV don't know much about it, other than it takes a good dog to get a RING 3 no matter what kind of ring , I think schh training is to boring it needs alot off obedience to much for my interest I like the good looking obedience but not the programme for me sad we only have these two and the PH programme which I must stick  with then

I like this Lasso dog like to watch him work

don't know about RING but I like to see the dog work when he is in the bite fase not just hanging there but I'll like to see the dog pull and try to get the suit og sleeve

Myret, yes I´m from sweden so I know kimbo had some offspring here and in danmark, a few in germany too. If your think direct kimbo-sons like satoris gator, oberts op de hyde, jabina lexus for example are average in drive  for a working GSD then where are all these dogs that are so much better?? I don´t recall any of the dogs you usually talks about have so much offprsing to judge them on, extreme drives for you seems to be dogs that screams and whines in the blind, decent speed in the attacks but then nothing out of the ordinary. If you should breed you also must look on health, kimbos litter here had all been HD/ED free, the litter I know from lexus also the same, and at least the few dogs I´ve seen from lexus didn´t exactly looked bad in their preydrive compared to many other working GSD.

Jeff, OK, then there is no need for you to be upset just because good sportdogs with low tresholds and plenty of prey could have other issues not really needed in sport. Slow and defencive dogs I don´t think is the ideal for a dualpurpose PSD, so I don´t know why you keep comming back to that. I also don´t say people should breed slow dogs, just that a very fast and highly trainable dog like the malinois is hard to beat in sport for a GSD, at least when precision and the speed/force of the attack is judged. 

If a PSD could get high points in french ring is only intressting for the very few persons who do the sport, for the majority there are more important issues. 
I guess we can turn the question around, how would the GSDs participating in the french ring championship do in WUSV or as a dual purpose PSD? The competitiondogs I know of that wasn´t suited for the police didn´t lacked preydrive,hunt and speed, it was more a question of lack of courage, to soft, nervous of people or a combination of those things. These were all mals and dutchies, but I suppose there are also many GSDs which are lacking in drive or mentality do the job, but prey and hunt isn´t everything, if the dog should also be used for pattrollwok where the dog should do more than just use his nose.