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by Mark3 on 26 January 2010 - 18:01
Hi Jonah, the figures suggest a disproportionate number of dogs are achieving Class 1 in the UK breed survey. From what I recall for 2007, 95% were Class 1, 100% pass.
Within that 95% there will likely be stronger dogs than others but it’s not identifying them, so either the UK survey lacks real teeth, the surveyors are rather generous or we have a lot of good dogs.
It would be interesting to do graphs showing the % comparisons year by year to provide trend analysis but unfortunately I don‘t have all the books. I’m surprised nobody already does this.
When over 90% are achieving Class 1, then they are capable of giving a lot more and facing tougher challenges to identify the stronger dogs and support breed performance improvement going forward.
Within that 95% there will likely be stronger dogs than others but it’s not identifying them, so either the UK survey lacks real teeth, the surveyors are rather generous or we have a lot of good dogs.
It would be interesting to do graphs showing the % comparisons year by year to provide trend analysis but unfortunately I don‘t have all the books. I’m surprised nobody already does this.
When over 90% are achieving Class 1, then they are capable of giving a lot more and facing tougher challenges to identify the stronger dogs and support breed performance improvement going forward.
by jaymesie51 on 26 January 2010 - 18:01
Just look at the facts 95% of dogs surveyed are show dogs most of these dogs will have been placed within the first 3 at champ and open show level what the breed survey does is to evaluate the breeding worth of the dogs via health tests done tattoo/microchip ID, temperament, size movement , conformation and how close to the standard they are, so it is no suprise that most if not all are class one, whether or not they breed on is up to the owners of these dogs.
jim h
jim h
by Jonah1 on 26 January 2010 - 19:01
Mark3. Bad news that !.
Jaymesie. I hear wot ya sayin but tha will always be dogs winnin that aint worthy of winnin so same go's for tha UK. survey - always be dogs passin as 1st class. Tha aint as many dogs as that with passable conformation.
by paulie on 26 January 2010 - 21:01
Hi, i have been following this thread for some time now, hoping that somebody will have the balls to ask the question i am now about to ask, is it true that a Champion Male here in the U.K. has , in more than one litter, produced progeny that are having FITS, in one particular Females case, resulting in her having to be put to sleep?
If this is indeed the case then God help us, because it's certainly beyond the remit of the GSDP.
We cannot hang this one on the K.C. as from what i am led to believe, it's an open secret.
I cannot offer my regards on this one, as i feel sick to my stomach that nobody has brought this matter, to this board, to either be refuted, or substantiated.
Paul Rattigan.
P,S. As most of our Dogs end up in pet homes, imagine the Catastrophe if an animal had a fit whilst alone with a young child. It does not bear thinking about.
If this is indeed the case then God help us, because it's certainly beyond the remit of the GSDP.
We cannot hang this one on the K.C. as from what i am led to believe, it's an open secret.
I cannot offer my regards on this one, as i feel sick to my stomach that nobody has brought this matter, to this board, to either be refuted, or substantiated.
Paul Rattigan.
P,S. As most of our Dogs end up in pet homes, imagine the Catastrophe if an animal had a fit whilst alone with a young child. It does not bear thinking about.
by Sue B on 26 January 2010 - 22:01
First I have heard of it Paul and as long as people keep secrets and continue to speculate in riddles then most of us are never likely to know unless we are unfortunate enough to unsuspectingly use this male and have progeny that develop this problem. That of course is providing there is such a male , causing such a problem and that it aint just a load of rumour mongering BullSh** started by jealous individuals trying to cause shit (and I am not referring to you there Paul), but whoever told you whatever it is you have heard, perhaps you can ask them and follow the trail back. Alternatively supply positive proof, because what you have put above is useless and if thats as much as you can give would (IMO) have been best left unsaid.
Regards
Sue
Regards
Sue
by bazza on 26 January 2010 - 23:01
I have to agree with Sue B that this would have been better left unsaid, as now everyone will be trying to guess who. This will only make " rumours " spread, PROOF should have been given. Now watch this space!!!! And if you know more than you have stated you should be exposing this potential threat to the breed. By the way no responsible dog owner should ever leave a dog and child unsupervised any way.
by paulie on 26 January 2010 - 23:01
Sue, Bazza, as much as i agree with you with regard to naming the animal concerned, dont you think that it's surely up to the owners of the concerned animals to bring it to the attention of the Breed, there will always be the reply that the animals affected also have mothers, but as far as i am aware the common denominator is the male, i have no wish to start a witch hunt, but i would like to see people acting with honour honesty, and integrity. I do not intend to write any thing more on the subject, as i feel the next comments should come from the owners of the affected animals.
Paul Rattigan.
Paul Rattigan.
by bazza on 26 January 2010 - 23:01
Paulie, i totally agree they should bring this out into the open, but i do not think you should have said as much as you have. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for whoever to speak up, one of the things sadly lacking in our breed is honesty amongst breeders.
by Sue B on 27 January 2010 - 00:01
Well thats a great idea Paul, providing of course they come on this messageboard or have any concience!!!!. Meanwhile (if there is any truth to this rumour) more potential epileptics are possibly being fertilised as we type!! Another fine mess for our supposedly caring, progressive breed to be in aint it !!
Looks like your right Bazza, the guessing game is about to begin. If the status of the sire as Paulie described it is correct, perhaps we should all just avoid using any Kennel Club Champion at stud, that way we are sure to avoid it , yes!!??
If the subject matter wasnt so bloody serious the suggestion of how to possibly avoid this situation would be laughable.
Sue
Looks like your right Bazza, the guessing game is about to begin. If the status of the sire as Paulie described it is correct, perhaps we should all just avoid using any Kennel Club Champion at stud, that way we are sure to avoid it , yes!!??
If the subject matter wasnt so bloody serious the suggestion of how to possibly avoid this situation would be laughable.
Sue
by jaymesie51 on 27 January 2010 - 07:01
If what Paul has said is true then it is obvious that the owners of this dog will not say anything because if they were interested in the health of our breed they would have withdrawn this dog from stud the minute they new of this problem what worries me now is how many unsuspecting people will use this dog and so perpetuate the problem more, all this has done is to cause unrest in our breed it is time to name this dog because if you dont before we know it the rumour mongers will have every UK champion being the one. Paul you obviously know who the said dog is and you also believe what you have been told is true or you would not have mentioned it, so if the owners of this dog refuse to safeguard our breed, then you must
jim h
jim h
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