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by Betty on 09 June 2013 - 18:06

Never mind

by ramgsd on 09 June 2013 - 21:06


bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 21:06

I'll find a better video if one exists of Ebor on the back half protection and then those who blamed Ebor, and blamed me, and blamed the weather can explain what the video shows. 

by beetree on 09 June 2013 - 21:06

Bubbabooboo, you are the one playing the "blame game". Everyone else chalks it up to another day in the sport. You win some, you lose some. Everyone tried their best, but it just doesn't always go the way planned because of variables. This time weather was a deciding factor. Good sportsmanship is something you might want to research, next. There must be a way to Bubbabooboo-itize that concept. I can't wait to hear it.

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 22:06

"Observance of the rules" and accepting blame for mistakes made is a large part of being a sportsman.  There is a kind of sportsmanship which even street basketball players acknowledge and that is when a player makes a foul or a mistake they say "my bad".  Apparently none of you even acknowledge the dog's contribution .. they have worked harder and sacrificed more than any of the humans.  Blaming Ebor for a helper's mistake is not sportsmanship so let's see what the video shows but the screen shots already posted by another tell the tale.  Hopefully we can get some HD video shots.

by beetree on 09 June 2013 - 22:06

Accepting blame? Therein lies the fallacy to your whole argument. That is not part of the rules. Accepting circumstances in all fairness is what it is all about. Good sportsmanship, and I think that is what Ivan portrayed. 

by Dobermannman on 09 June 2013 - 23:06

Accepting responsibility may not be part of the written rules but it sure is part of good sportsmanship.
I am also pretty sure that Marcus has indicated to Ivan his regret at not catching Ebor as well as he did all the other dogs at the trial.
I am also pretty sure that both Ivan and Marcus have moved on and that Marcus will be the decoy at another big event that Ivan and Ebor enter.  This has NEVER been about challenging the honesty or skill of the decoy. It has only been about acknowledging the FACT that Ebor was the victim  of an honest mistake NOT anything he did wrong.


Thomas Barriano

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 10 June 2013 - 00:06

Dobermannman .. agree with your statement .. still some here who say it doesn't matter what the helper did it was Ebor's fault or deny the catch was faulty.  There is no shame in making a mistake be it dog or helper but there is shame in pinning the fault on the dog who has no voice to respond with. 

by Bob McKown on 10 June 2013 - 11:06

I,d like to know just how much national level trial work BooBoo and Dobooo have done and see there helper work video,s? 

Mike D

by Mike D on 10 June 2013 - 12:06



This pic was posted by someone earlier.
For those of you who have done helper work.......what could Marcus have done differently here?
The dog's back feet are off the ground so he has yet to launch, even though he is coming under.
Marcus' right foot is planted yet slightly bent.
Left foot is back and loose to enable the turn. 
Sleeve appears to be in a good position.
Stick threat is up
Even if Marcus elevates right after this shot, it appears to me that the dog should have a good and fair chance for a grip.

All that said, I haven't studied the video like some of you have.
I am no national level helper but I have caught a few dogs. I can tell you that at this point in the long bite
I would have to be beginning the turn already to avoid jamming the dog.

Mike Delaney





 


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