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by Abby Normal on 21 March 2012 - 06:03
AndyG
Can we see the full description that Dr Clemmons got while you are waiting for his reply?
Can we see the full description that Dr Clemmons got while you are waiting for his reply?
by Harriet on 21 March 2012 - 09:03
Abby, please go away! Fed up of seeing your posts on everything. Used to enjoy all the posts from the UK members but they've all disappeared thanks to you!
by Sirius Black on 21 March 2012 - 16:03
Let's try and keep this on topic without the personal jabs please.
thanks
by Abby Normal on 21 March 2012 - 23:03
Bump
by starrchar on 22 March 2012 - 01:03
Harriet, I think that anyone who has dealt with a DM has concerns about Andy's claim, and rightfully so. I applaud Andy for all he tried to do for his dog and I'd have to say Golo was a very lucky dog to have Andy taking care of him, but from everything I have read regarding Andy's experience with Golo points to him having something other than DM, most likely a vascular issue or neurological issue. It is very important to have the right facts when making such incredible claims as Andy has made. No doubt, Andy fully believed Golo had DM and his intent when he originally posted was likely sincere, but the facts just don't add up. And that is why Abby has questioned Andy so much and has persisted in getting answers.
I have done everything for my DM dog, Shelby, that Andy has done and our experiences are VERY different. Dr. Clemmons protocol definitely helps a large percentage of DM dogs to some degree, but it does not produce miracles. My regular vet trained under Dr. Clemmons and he said that the main difference between DM dogs that got no treatment and dogs that where on the Dr. Clemmons protocol is that the dogs that respond well to the protocol didn't progress as fast and they lived longer.
I am taking Shelby to the rehab vet tomorrow to get her new cart adjusted. This vet also trained under Dr. Clemmons and I am going to talk to her about Golo's case. She is a rehab vet and she sees dogs with vascular, neurological and skeletal issues every day.
I have done everything for my DM dog, Shelby, that Andy has done and our experiences are VERY different. Dr. Clemmons protocol definitely helps a large percentage of DM dogs to some degree, but it does not produce miracles. My regular vet trained under Dr. Clemmons and he said that the main difference between DM dogs that got no treatment and dogs that where on the Dr. Clemmons protocol is that the dogs that respond well to the protocol didn't progress as fast and they lived longer.
I am taking Shelby to the rehab vet tomorrow to get her new cart adjusted. This vet also trained under Dr. Clemmons and I am going to talk to her about Golo's case. She is a rehab vet and she sees dogs with vascular, neurological and skeletal issues every day.
by AndyG on 22 March 2012 - 03:03
From Dr Clemmons reply:
"You cannot change people overnight and some you cannot change at all. I am glad the treatment helped Golo. It has helped many others, but we have not done randomized clinical trials which is why they are skeptic. Hard for me to purposefully hurt patients when I know what we are doing can help and rarely cause harm if the diagnosis is accurate."
"You cannot change people overnight and some you cannot change at all. I am glad the treatment helped Golo. It has helped many others, but we have not done randomized clinical trials which is why they are skeptic. Hard for me to purposefully hurt patients when I know what we are doing can help and rarely cause harm if the diagnosis is accurate."
by Nancy on 22 March 2012 - 11:03
decided not worth reply...can't delete.
by Abby Normal on 22 March 2012 - 11:03
Dr Clemmons never gives worthless responses, so my sense is that this is fiction! Dr Clemmons is of course a very educated and intelligent man, and this is not conveyed in the statement above, (particularly given the grammar).
Maybe AndyG you would like to post the whole response, especially the part where he expresses an opinion as to whether your dog is likely to have had DM based on the history - which was the whole point of contacting him? I am also curious as to what you asked to elicit a defensive response about 'hurting and causing harm' which is very much out of character.
Nancy
For educational purposes, and to clear this up once and for all I am more than happy to post an email that I have received from Dr Clemmons, but would like to hear AndyG's complete response from him first.
Maybe AndyG you would like to post the whole response, especially the part where he expresses an opinion as to whether your dog is likely to have had DM based on the history - which was the whole point of contacting him? I am also curious as to what you asked to elicit a defensive response about 'hurting and causing harm' which is very much out of character.
Nancy
For educational purposes, and to clear this up once and for all I am more than happy to post an email that I have received from Dr Clemmons, but would like to hear AndyG's complete response from him first.
by AndyG on 22 March 2012 - 11:03
Abby, enough is enough. I am done here with you. This is the real and genuine response from Dr Clemmons, with the exact and unaltered grammar - not a single word has been changed. I have skipped other parts not related to the case and/or of personal content.
Anyway, if someone needs more info about Golo's symptoms, his treatment or whatsoever, please feel free to contact me directly. I am happy to help. I see no reasons to continue this discussion with the trolls of this forum.
Anyway, if someone needs more info about Golo's symptoms, his treatment or whatsoever, please feel free to contact me directly. I am happy to help. I see no reasons to continue this discussion with the trolls of this forum.
by Nancy on 22 March 2012 - 12:03
I am most assuredly not a troll and for my own educational purposes I need no more.
I know that based on the information shared by the OP, the disease symptoms and progression are not consistent with DM, nor was definitive diagnostic testng done to rule out other conditions. Honestly, unless Dr Clemmons comes over here and posts on his own which I think most unlikely, I don't see any point..it is now arguing for the sake of arguing...the fact that the OP whined to Clemmons about people "not believing him" as opposed to sending a list of symptoms and progression of disease and getting an objective statement that the progression is, in fact, consistent tells more than the whole thread.
I think the points for consideration to people wondering if there dog has the disease have been fully presented in dribs and drabbles.
I know that based on the information shared by the OP, the disease symptoms and progression are not consistent with DM, nor was definitive diagnostic testng done to rule out other conditions. Honestly, unless Dr Clemmons comes over here and posts on his own which I think most unlikely, I don't see any point..it is now arguing for the sake of arguing...the fact that the OP whined to Clemmons about people "not believing him" as opposed to sending a list of symptoms and progression of disease and getting an objective statement that the progression is, in fact, consistent tells more than the whole thread.
I think the points for consideration to people wondering if there dog has the disease have been fully presented in dribs and drabbles.
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