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by judron55 on 21 July 2011 - 11:07
why did you pipe up about YOU having a SchH field 5 min away when there is no decoy to work with...
well Ms. thing...the reference was to distance to train. I get plenty of helper work when needed. But I never have an issue with obedience stuff because I have ready access to the field. Hope that clears it up for you....if not...TS:-)
well Ms. thing...the reference was to distance to train. I get plenty of helper work when needed. But I never have an issue with obedience stuff because I have ready access to the field. Hope that clears it up for you....if not...TS:-)
by vomeisenhaus on 21 July 2011 - 13:07
A st. Bernard can catch a man. All sports have rules & regulations designed with safety of the dog. Until we have a sport that puts a 200lb in shape const worker with steel toed boots on who just found out his "old lady" is fucking his best friend.he has 8 beers in him . Wants more but he's broke and payday isn't till friday and he's mad at the world and you send your dog in. Don't forget about the empty beer bottle in his hand that he's gonna use to crack your dog between the eyes with. Until then sport is sport. Go to the wood and use this scenario and you will find out quickly what your dogs made of. After he has been cracked in the head with the beer bottle and took several kicks to the ribs with those steel toe boots. If he is still in the fight. "CALLL ME". I want him. Kurt
by vomeisenhaus on 21 July 2011 - 13:07
. I've owned 1 dog who could handle that scenario. 11x schh 3. 2x lga "FELS VON DER SCHOPF". rest in peace old buddy. Kurt. Psl. Dog was imported by tom trainor of vom ausland. Conditions of sale... tom could breed to him any time he wanted to. And he did
by vomeisenhaus on 21 July 2011 - 16:07
This thread should have been (who's breeding "tough" straight back kkl2 shepherds with great athleticism). You know.... the leggy ones in the 80-85 pound range. :)
by myret on 21 July 2011 - 17:07
vom eisenhaus
yes I like Tiekerhook dogs and maybe I will buy one in a couple of years ,but I like exstreme prey and drives and I do like social aggresion,but not to much if it means that the dog overly antisocial towards strange kids and strangers .
I do like what you're saying about the straight backs and the kkl 2 I like those one better than the anguled dogs
yes I like Tiekerhook dogs and maybe I will buy one in a couple of years ,but I like exstreme prey and drives and I do like social aggresion,but not to much if it means that the dog overly antisocial towards strange kids and strangers .
I do like what you're saying about the straight backs and the kkl 2 I like those one better than the anguled dogs
by johan77 on 21 July 2011 - 21:07
Jeff, if the GSD form the ring-championships you posted is a fast and explosive dog in your opinion, I can understand you can´t grasp what I´m saying when quickness and speed aint everything outside sport, I´ve seen competition-dogs almost twice as fast from french malinois-lines which despite this didn´t passed the selectiontest for a PSD. So you might reconsider your view that "speed is everything" LOL!
Myret, yes, some do use high scoring SCH-dogs, some don´t, who cares as long as the dog has good genetics and not all breeding for points only, is a high scoring french ring/other sport so much better? You said yourself you really liked the the dog with some french lines you wanted to mate your bitch to, what I can see he has very high scores in SCH, so I don´t see your point. I´m also confused you think lexus is an "average" dog, yet you previously mentions other dogs which in comparsion is not much better, you only seems to like them because they may be a tiny bit faster in the bitework, and not even that sometimes. Maybe the ones breeding to lexus do so because his father kimbo have produced above average, I can´t speak for lexus but I´m surprised you think his average, have you seen any off his offspring?? The few I´ve seen seems to be pretty good and not so average.
Myret, yes, some do use high scoring SCH-dogs, some don´t, who cares as long as the dog has good genetics and not all breeding for points only, is a high scoring french ring/other sport so much better? You said yourself you really liked the the dog with some french lines you wanted to mate your bitch to, what I can see he has very high scores in SCH, so I don´t see your point. I´m also confused you think lexus is an "average" dog, yet you previously mentions other dogs which in comparsion is not much better, you only seems to like them because they may be a tiny bit faster in the bitework, and not even that sometimes. Maybe the ones breeding to lexus do so because his father kimbo have produced above average, I can´t speak for lexus but I´m surprised you think his average, have you seen any off his offspring?? The few I´ve seen seems to be pretty good and not so average.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 21 July 2011 - 22:07
Quote: A st. Bernard can catch a man.
Maybe it could catch me now, but not when I was younger. LOL
Maybe it could catch me now, but not when I was younger. LOL
by vomeisenhaus on 21 July 2011 - 23:07
Lmao @ jeff... right on. Right on....lol.
by darylehret on 22 July 2011 - 00:07
If Tiekerhook bloodlines interest you, check out the performance record of Hero van Tiekerhook. He took 1st in MR1 category for Portugal's 2010 event, and was the ONLY german shepherd that competed at the international event among dozens of dogs (mals & mixed), placing 6th in MR1 category.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 22 July 2011 - 06:07
Quote: Jeff, if the GSD form the ring-championships you posted is a fast and explosive dog in your opinion, I can understand you can´t grasp what I´m saying when quickness and speed aint everything outside sport, I´ve seen competition-dogs almost twice as fast from french malinois-lines which despite this didn´t passed the selectiontest for a PSD. So you might reconsider your view that "speed is everything" LOL!
Here is a basic problem that you are not getting. Your ideal is a police service dog. I could give a shit, some dogs are police dog, and some dogs are sport dogs. My "ideal" is producing dogs that are pretty much what I want, right across the board. No high end, low end stuff. I want fast explosive dogs that can do what is asked of them, regardless of what venue.
Here is another thing that you are not getting. I see sport dogs all the time going to police depts. I rarely see police dogs doing sport. They are out there, but how many can go and do ring ? Take your clunky police service dog and go and see if he can remain under control and still do the escort without the decoy getting tons of meters on him. That is what you are missing. The dog HAS to remain vigilant, HAS to stay in drive, HAS to stay in control, and then when the decoy takes off running, the dog must bite him as fast as possible. Your clunk, who is defensively driven, is going to lose control, and either lose every available point due to dirty bites, get in a fight with the decoy and lose all his available points, or will fall asleep, and loose all his available points.
So, there is what I think of your ideal dog, the police service dog that passed whatever test you are talking about. If you really want to discuss ideal dogs for police service work, then biting is not really there, it is the ability to hunt that fails most sport dogs. They were not raised to use this drive at all really.
I posted the video of Budy, as I thought people would like to see a GSD doing ring. He is related to my dog through his mother, which is my dogs grandfathers sister.
Here is a basic problem that you are not getting. Your ideal is a police service dog. I could give a shit, some dogs are police dog, and some dogs are sport dogs. My "ideal" is producing dogs that are pretty much what I want, right across the board. No high end, low end stuff. I want fast explosive dogs that can do what is asked of them, regardless of what venue.
Here is another thing that you are not getting. I see sport dogs all the time going to police depts. I rarely see police dogs doing sport. They are out there, but how many can go and do ring ? Take your clunky police service dog and go and see if he can remain under control and still do the escort without the decoy getting tons of meters on him. That is what you are missing. The dog HAS to remain vigilant, HAS to stay in drive, HAS to stay in control, and then when the decoy takes off running, the dog must bite him as fast as possible. Your clunk, who is defensively driven, is going to lose control, and either lose every available point due to dirty bites, get in a fight with the decoy and lose all his available points, or will fall asleep, and loose all his available points.
So, there is what I think of your ideal dog, the police service dog that passed whatever test you are talking about. If you really want to discuss ideal dogs for police service work, then biting is not really there, it is the ability to hunt that fails most sport dogs. They were not raised to use this drive at all really.
I posted the video of Budy, as I thought people would like to see a GSD doing ring. He is related to my dog through his mother, which is my dogs grandfathers sister.
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