HD in Genetics - Page 7

The other colors are different bloodlines.  I was simply color coding them to help myself identify different patterns of relation.  You can find a key to the lines on the right hand side of this page http://www.ehretgsd.com/BloodColor.pdf

I also used the same color coding when identifying the interrelations of the best sporting performance lines.  http://www.ehretgsd.com/topsport3.html  When selecting my own prospects, I want producers found on both of these lists to be in the pedigree.

I mentioned earlier that I have and would continue to gravitate my experience toward a particular few bloodlines, and they're listed below.  Some particular lines I have delved into a little, then backed out a step or two, or completely out altogether.

West German Workingline, major emphasis
Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich
>>>>>Timmy von der bösen Nachbarschaft
>>>>>>>>>Half vom Ruhbachtal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nick vom Heiligenbösch
>>>>>Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft
>>>>>>>>>Aly vom Vordersteinwald
>>>>>>>>>Yoschy von der Döllenwiese

West German Workingline, minor emphasis
Robby vom Glockeneck
>>>>>Verwin vom Blitsaerd
>>>>>>>>>Orry von haus Antverpa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Qerry von haus Antverpa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tom van't Leefdaalhof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ellute v.d. Mohnwiese

Czech and Slovak lines, major emphasis
Rolf vom Osnabrücker Land
>>>>>Ali vom Gränert
>>>>>*****Ex vom Riedstern (4,3-3 Ali)
>>>>>>>>>>*****Ingo von Rudingen (3-2 on Ex)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Held vom Ritterberg (dam 2-2 Bernd vom Lierberg)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bero vom Friedersdorfer Flur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*****Faro Policia (3-2 on Bero)

Czech and Slovak lines, minor emphasis
Car pod Molnosskou banou
>>>>>Cordon An-Sat

 CLC29
"Any suggestions on strong females??
One female I found that looks appealing to my novice eye is Varna z PS (Currently at Sapphire Shepherds). What do you think?"

Regarding this kennel (Sapphire Kennels), nothing to say about the dogs, I have met a few from her kennel, but she does not stand behind her dogs. I have gotten a several into rescue and she would not take them back or help in re-homing the dogs, as a matter of fact she hung up the phone on me while talking to her.
Just my 2 cents worth. Search her name on the database to find out more, do the same for any kennel you are looking at. It will help in deciding where to buy your SAR dog/puppy from.
I personally, would look at a different kennel to buy from.
Steph
Montana German Shepherd and Belgian Malinois Rescue

I think the above charts are a dramatic oversimplification if not somewhat misleading.  With that I suspect I have opened a hornet's nest but that needs to be said.

The lady needs to find her reputable breeder and forget about some of the postings.   Find someone you can trust, talk to and develop enough of a client relationship and they understand your needs and you can work with them should you have a problem. 

HD is genetic with outside influences supporting it.  The best bred top of the line dog can produce HD and your dog may not have decided to read this chart and be part of it -the beauty of biological systems. Statistically we analyze much but how are we interpreting the data?  How was the data is collected, compiled and interpreted is always my question. I read above as detailed because of quantity of production.  I'll toss that one aside. 

This dog is for SAR.  Poster, please consider dogs with an FH in their pedigree.   They have a higher likelyhood of performing your function.  No criticism please but SAR dogs measure of ability is irratic so, go straight to the FH, as it is more highly measured.  Some of the old czech pedigrees will show "avalanche" dogs and these are pretty interesting!  Wouldn't this lady LOVE to have a Ron vh Bernhardt Mader bred dog that would search and destroy?  Lets be helpful here.  ( Oh I loved Ron).

Treu von Schaferstolz had a C hip and one amazing producer in Czech dogs.  And so my point.  You old people out there like me remember this!  ( you can admit it)

Good luck and remember, this should be fun!

Nancy Rhynard

You probably don't expect this but........ I agree with you!  It is oversimplification, and "my lists" are filtered with the parameters that I selected for my personal interpretation, and should be taken at face value.  But in a world where science cannot aggree on what "is" HD, let alone measure it with any degree of accuracy, exept quantitatively, then we have statistics to rely on...... and little else!  It's currently the best we can do with what we have given to us.  Sort of like our breed suitability test (schutzhund).

Replying here as I received many amazing questions.   Good to see people interested,  wow!

Yes, we only have statistics to give us our parameters on  HD and that IS a good thing. Science does not give us a black or white answer but we should expect that out of biological systems.  Can we move that bell curve on HD? 

Because this is a "little grey"  we have to pay attention to more than genetics.  My other beef is that some of these kennels do fancy marketing in hopes of convincing some that "their product is the only one that works" regardless of whether it is actually any good or not - oops sorry! another subject!  But this is where a lot of misleading information comes from.

back to HD -  or any other genetic disease - most people are looking for regular good hips from multiple ancestors and this is a great foundation starting point. 

My point on nutrition, as that is what I do, is in real life work, dogs that might have had otherwise 'passing hips" but did not received appropriate diet during growth and so I see growth related problems, sometimes it is manifested as HD.  HD is not our only bone growth related problem either.  How about OCD and spondylosis?  I can take a mild HD dog and still be functional, what can I do with these other problems?  Spondylosis is in some bloodlines and yet not discussed enough.  

And so the story continues.