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bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 15:06

So what is blaming the dog when it was the helper's mistake??? First the story was that the dog made a mistake and the helper was blameless and then the video shows the helper making a presentation that no dog could have been expected to bite and grip.  So now it is good sportsmanship to blame the dog and hide the video of the helper's mistake??  The dogs mistakes are not hidden so why are the helper's mistakes not as the admin said "something we can all learn from"?????

susie

by susie on 09 June 2013 - 15:06

It´s good sportsmanship to start in such an event, to get the points, and to go home afterwards without whining.
The dog´s fault - the helper´s fault?
Maybe both?
Did Ivan blame anybody? I don´t think so. Why do you?

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 15:06

Actually Ivan said the helper turned too soon .. I guess he accepted the outcome but not the version of events.  Ebor and Ivan caught a very bad break that cost them the championship.  Blaming the dog and claiming the helper did not make a mistake in catching Ebor is just denying the truth and the facts.  The helper did a good or great job on catching maybe 19 other dogs but he failed on one .. Ebor .. he gets a 95 out of 100.  Why must he get a 100 for a 95 performance??  Blaming the dog for the helper's mistake is neither factual or truthful.

susie

by susie on 09 June 2013 - 15:06

As soon as you start trialing or doing helper work on your own you will start to "accept" , too.
For now you should give a break.
It´s sport - and the outcome doesn´t change anything in this world.

Better a "flying dog" than a broken neck...

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 15:06

Better to admit the helper made a bad catch and put the video of that catch back in the compilations video instead of blaming the dog for someone else's mistake.  Better not to hide mistakes and deny they happened.  Also better not to attack the messenger who tells the truth instead of following the habit of accepting false and untruthful actions.  If the helper feels that was a great catch he made on Ebor let him speak up but if you watch the video Ivan posted he has " I'm sorry " written all over his face when Ivan takes the stick from him after the routine but Ivan does not even look at him.

by Schznd on 09 June 2013 - 16:06

"​Actually Ivan said the helper turned too soon .. I guess he accepted the outcome but not the version of events.  Ebor and Ivan caught a very bad break that cost them the championship."

There was nothing wrong with the presentation.  The dog never launched, as I said before, because it just DOWN POURED and the center of field was SLOPPY MUD. My dog did the same thing he couldn't get off the ground.  Get the video and freeze frame it and you'll see what really happened.

by GSDsport on 09 June 2013 - 17:06

As far as not launching, can't you look to the father and grandfather of this dog to see if they have similar styles?

 

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 17:06

Ebor didn't launch because the sleeve was moving vertical .. the freeze frames posted above show that the helper pulled the sleeve up and away from Ebor as the helper turned and jumped about a foot into the air .. raising the sleeve by a foot or more after Ebor was ready to launch.  That is not allowed .. the helper made a mistake as shown in the video.  Ebor hardly got a chance to touch the sleeve much less bite it.  Ebor is standing straight up on his back legs trying to reach the sleeve as he goes under because the sleeve was pulled away from him as he launched.  The initial presentation of the sleeve by the helper as Ebor approached was low enough he would have easily reached the sleeve and then within a split second the sleeve rose a foot or more in vertical height as the dog tried to bite it.

by Schznd on 09 June 2013 - 17:06

He caught dogs the same way all weekend, one dog out of 70 didn't make the grip and it's the helpers fault, bullshit. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda it's all crap, no grip, it's in the book. Watch the video you will see a different picture from the blurry blob that is posted.
 

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 09 June 2013 - 17:06

Which catch is not in the 2013 AWDF compilation video of back half protection from Shotshell .. Ebor (and maybe others) but Ebor was left out.  If it was a good catch then why leave it out??  Denying the mistake happened denies us all from a "learning opportunity".  There were not 70 dogs in the back half protection and the helpers mistake does not diminish his fine work in catching the others but Ebor deserves better than to be made an excuse for a helper mistake being buried and denied.





 


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