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by Bhaugh on 03 January 2013 - 06:01
Well if he seems bored with the ball, then your running uphill with skates on. You might want to try herding. Its very fun but you will need good solid obedience. Remember just because YOU want a SCH dog from him, doesn't make it so. Keep him for herding and find a different dog for SCH.
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by Red Sable on 03 January 2013 - 10:01
There is nothing wrong with a herding dog, these are German Shepherds after all.
by susie on 03 January 2013 - 10:01
Do the elder ones of you remember their first dog?
Mine was a Dalmatian, not even a working dog. I visited a DVG club because "he didn´t listen". At that time I was 15 years old.
With this first dog I learned tracking, obedience, and up to a certain level bitework.
He was not suitable for Schutzhund, but I learned and learned and learned. And we had fun!
1 1/2 years later I got my first German Shepherd, a gift from a clubmember, because I titled the father of this puppy to SchH2.
The history of the common USA citizens in Schutzhund training and breeding German Shepherds is totally different.
You almost need to achieve nothing to get pedigrees for your litters.
John Doe doen´t know better. dirck did what a lot of people do...
This guy wants to start training his dog - that´s the best he can do - for the dog and for himself.
He will get the possibility to learn about his dog, the breed, and the sport.
And he will start to understand the differences in single dogs.
Train your dog, have fun, and learn as much as you can.
For all the others out there: If you treat every newcomer visiting your clubs like Dirck, there will never be an improvement in training in your country.
Mine was a Dalmatian, not even a working dog. I visited a DVG club because "he didn´t listen". At that time I was 15 years old.
With this first dog I learned tracking, obedience, and up to a certain level bitework.
He was not suitable for Schutzhund, but I learned and learned and learned. And we had fun!
1 1/2 years later I got my first German Shepherd, a gift from a clubmember, because I titled the father of this puppy to SchH2.
The history of the common USA citizens in Schutzhund training and breeding German Shepherds is totally different.
You almost need to achieve nothing to get pedigrees for your litters.
John Doe doen´t know better. dirck did what a lot of people do...
This guy wants to start training his dog - that´s the best he can do - for the dog and for himself.
He will get the possibility to learn about his dog, the breed, and the sport.
And he will start to understand the differences in single dogs.
Train your dog, have fun, and learn as much as you can.
For all the others out there: If you treat every newcomer visiting your clubs like Dirck, there will never be an improvement in training in your country.
by workingdogz on 03 January 2013 - 11:01
Hey, I thought I was pretty damn nice.
I always encourage everyone to train their dog to the best
of that dogs ability! To take the dog to the highest it can achieve.
Does that mean I think he should breed the dog again? NO
Not yet. If he goes through all the steps and does something
with his dogs, I don't care if it's AKC obedience, Herding etc,
just something, and health checks the dog etc, if he still wants
to breed him after that? Well then by all means have at it.
The logic I have is, after going through all the steps to train
and title a dog in something, (no, not a CGC), if the owner
still thinks that dog is an outstanding specimen of the breed,
then go for it. Most times, if people are honest with themselves,
and their dog, once they put some miles on the dog, they start
to see the 'holes' in the dog. It doesn't mean they don't or can't
or even shouldn't love the dog and think he's the greatest,
it just means maybe the dog is not a breeding dog. That's not
the end of the world is it?
And yes Susie, you are right, it is all too easy for people to breed
dogs and get registration on them in this country. Your comments
in the 'Hips' thread about wanting to see actual certification on a
pedigree is brought home again here. You see what happens?
People maybe xray, maybe they don't, but now you have a dog with
many generations of no hip/elbow ratings, let alone any working
titles.
I always encourage everyone to train their dog to the best
of that dogs ability! To take the dog to the highest it can achieve.
Does that mean I think he should breed the dog again? NO
Not yet. If he goes through all the steps and does something
with his dogs, I don't care if it's AKC obedience, Herding etc,
just something, and health checks the dog etc, if he still wants
to breed him after that? Well then by all means have at it.
The logic I have is, after going through all the steps to train
and title a dog in something, (no, not a CGC), if the owner
still thinks that dog is an outstanding specimen of the breed,
then go for it. Most times, if people are honest with themselves,
and their dog, once they put some miles on the dog, they start
to see the 'holes' in the dog. It doesn't mean they don't or can't
or even shouldn't love the dog and think he's the greatest,
it just means maybe the dog is not a breeding dog. That's not
the end of the world is it?
And yes Susie, you are right, it is all too easy for people to breed
dogs and get registration on them in this country. Your comments
in the 'Hips' thread about wanting to see actual certification on a
pedigree is brought home again here. You see what happens?
People maybe xray, maybe they don't, but now you have a dog with
many generations of no hip/elbow ratings, let alone any working
titles.
by susie on 03 January 2013 - 11:01
Workingdogzby Paul Garrison on 03 January 2013 - 12:01
Build his ball drive very short amounts of time to start with. There is always something better. Dance with the one you came with. NOW I am talking about training not breeding if you want to better you, the dog and the breed.
Bob I agree. I bet if he trains and I mean really trains, he will learn what he needs to do when it comes to breeding.
Bob I agree. I bet if he trains and I mean really trains, he will learn what he needs to do when it comes to breeding.
by Blitzen on 03 January 2013 - 13:01
I guess time will tell where this ends up and yes, I am skeptical that this going anywhere other than more poorly bred dogs. I'm not afraid to admit I am wrong and will do so again. I've never been one to discourage anyone from doing things with their dogs, so keep up the good work encouraging the OP to do the right thing. If protection work doesn't work out, as Dogz has pointed out, there are other venues to try.
When I actually see OFA numbers and DM results on the dogs he is using for breeding, rather than unsupported claims, I will be more apt to get on the bandwagon.What are the odds that dogs with such pedigrees are going to have normal hips and elbows? Most breeders don't get a lot of normals out of generations of clear parents.
The way many of us got out first dogs is not any different than the OP's experience, so most have been there at one time and can identify with his/her situation and understand this could be a nice learner dog. Where it goes from here is entirely up to the OP
When I actually see OFA numbers and DM results on the dogs he is using for breeding, rather than unsupported claims, I will be more apt to get on the bandwagon.What are the odds that dogs with such pedigrees are going to have normal hips and elbows? Most breeders don't get a lot of normals out of generations of clear parents.
The way many of us got out first dogs is not any different than the OP's experience, so most have been there at one time and can identify with his/her situation and understand this could be a nice learner dog. Where it goes from here is entirely up to the OP
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