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sueincc

by sueincc on 23 November 2010 - 14:11

loureed if you are suggesting the scores were purposely slanted I hope you have some proof, otherwise to coin a phrase from dear old Phil, stop blowing smoke up peoples asses.  Judging is subjective, the judge does not have the advantage of watching a video tape, and no judge will ever make all the people happy all the time.   I wish I had a dollar for every person who complains about a score (too high or too low) from every  trial (WDA, DVG, USA, AWDF, FCI, WUSV)  because I would be rich beyond my wildest imagination. 

There can be a multitude of reasons, none having to do with corruption.  One is human nature, everyone thinks everyone else should share their their same opinion of an event and can never understand that in someone elses eyes the performance might have been better or worse, judges included.  Sometimes judges screw up, and sometimes they flat out miss things, but this does not mean they are corrupt, and unless people have proof  otherwise, it just sounds like sour grapes. 

If you want perfect judging go get involved with something that's not subjective, in this sport, sometimes you get less points than you think you deserve and sometimes you get more points than you deserve, that's the way it always is, in all sports where judging is subjective. 


by loureed on 23 November 2010 - 15:11

Judging IS subjective, BUT should only be done is gray areas.  When an exercise is say 3 points and you're dog does not do that exercise than no points should be given...that CANNOT be subjective.  So you mean to tell me when others and more than one sees the obvious...the judge just didn't see it??? 

by loureed on 23 November 2010 - 15:11

Bob,
it's not about money with ALLof the trainers.....putting food on the table, pretty close minded of you.

sueincc

by sueincc on 23 November 2010 - 16:11

What I'm saying is mistakes are made and people have differences in opinions, but unless you have proof that the judging was political or the judge is inept (I don't know which is worse)  it comes off as nothing more than sour grapes.  Yes, I agree, there were some scores that were not totally earned and points that were not taken that should have been.  BUT this is all the way down the line, and NOT just with the big players.  In fact in some places the scores were generous with people who are new and not big names, and in some places with some very  big names the pencil was much sharper than with the others, and the scores were lower accordingly.  That's the way the cookie crumbles, it's frustrating and sucks but I don't think it's politically motivated, at least it's not,  on a conscious level.  

If judging is politically motivated, or if our judges are totally inept and out of touch,  then we need to get rid of those judges, no question, but first it must be proven, otherwise it just sounds like barking and sour grapes on a very public message board, and fair or not, reflects poorly on the poster, right?

by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 16:11

lou:

          Does it not take money to put food on the table? Very few people barter for dogs or training atleat not the "Pro,s" I,d imagine.

Making money isn,t a crime, But i,ve found that most people who profess to be "pro,s" aren,t and those that profess to be "Pro,s" on the Internet chat sites are really poor excuses for that. I think Tim Helser profess,s to be a "pro" on here on occasion.  


by Bob McKown on 23 November 2010 - 16:11

Sorry, double post

by Christopher Smith on 23 November 2010 - 18:11

The rules say that trials serve two purposes. One is to determine the dog's suitability for a particular use. And the other is to maintain the health and working ability of working dogs. the rules do not say that trials are there to support professional endeavors.

IMO, if the sport has to bend or change it should ALWAYS be in favor of the hobbyist. They are the backbone of the sport and the breed clubs.


judron55

by judron55 on 23 November 2010 - 18:11

judging dogs is similar to officiating any sport! Interpretation is paramount....strike zones.....goal tending....in/out of bounds in football. Only difference is we don't have instant replay. Most judges are fine and do thier best!

Phil Behun

by Phil Behun on 24 November 2010 - 02:11

Yep and I enjoy watching pickup football so much more than the NFL.  Personally I would much rather learn law from a guy who watched every episode of Law & Order over a Professor of Law at Harvard University.  I'd feel so much safer having a guy with a Chilton's manual working on my car instead of the head of Jimmie Johnson's pit crew.

sueincc

by sueincc on 24 November 2010 - 02:11

Personally I don't want the rules bent for me just because I'm not a pro, and to do so would make me feel I was being  patronized, it's condescending,  I think.  Perhaps I am missing the point?





 


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