my dog is really lazy - Page 6

Well, even if the pup is "lazy" @ 5 months of age, it is a lesser evil than having him try to deal with a workinglines pup that will be too much for a first time owner.  That could open another set of insatisfaction issues.  Also, when he started the thread, he had just gotten the pup after a week-long trip by truck.

After looking at the pup's breeding, which seems to be quite good, I surmised that it might just be [part environmental and part a possible "fright stage" that GSD pups hit around 5-6 months and again around 9-12 months.  I just argue for giving the pup a chance.  By all means, he should advise the breeder that he may be returning the pup.  It wouldn't be the first time that a breeder sells a "shitter" pup to a novice buyer expecting that he won't know enough to see it for the "pet/companion-quality" dog it may be.

I have been silently following this persons posts on multiple forums and I agree with you Charlie. I suggest to the poster if you keep this dog or even if you get another that you go to a reputable club and learn and not self train a protection dog as you have alot to learn and I do not want to see a dog ruined or become a danger for non threats.

 That said... I love your dog if you are not saticfied with her please rehome her or send back to breeder who I am sure would love to have her placed where she is apreciated.  Our dogs do know when we do not believe in them and personally I think she is fabulous.

   I also have to say I am sick of the your dog is showline it can't work mentality. I have had the privlige of spending many years with my girl and she is showline and works hard with more heart and intelligence than I could have hoped for. When she was a pup I called the local breed warden for suggestions on sch group as I had just moved to the area and was promptly told they did not think their workingline sch group was for us. Showline folks are always accused of being the snobs... Well my showline has gaurded over her family, tended herds not just a day test for her instinct, and provided devoted service and love with stable structure and temperment with the best of nobleness and tolerance. She is not bounce off the walls nuts with unending energy but I dare anyone to try and harm anything placed in her protection. I could not be prouder of my girl or more humbled by the courage and honesty in how she conducts herself in her duties taking care of her family be it human or animal.

well said GSDNewbie.i too am a showline person in the uk and here too the working line fraternity pour scorn on our animals working abilities.the majority of show exhibitors here are just content to show and have no desire to work their dogs....ie.schutzhund/protection.Carole

Stay away from the "Sit Means Sit" crew.  Taking a seminar on the use of an electric collar as the "only" means of training does not make you a dog trainer.  Run away, run away, run away.  Chances are your dog may be enough for what you need.  I'm "assuming" that you pretty much need a deterrent or show of force around the house and not necessarily a strong working dog.   The problem with sending a working puppy into a novice type pet home is the outcome is usually an unwanted adult being returned to the breeder or placed in a shelter.   A softer show dog is probably best suited for your situation.  Did I mention stay away from the "Sit Means Sit" goobers?

Listen to Phil.  I've had my differences of opinion with him, but he's got a track record in training dogs, so his opinion does hold sway.

GSD newbie: it is true that there is snobishness throughout, but IMPO, the basic problem with some showline GSD's is that they are too lose jointed, and thus unsound, to withstand the rigors of training and competition, where a dog may have already taken several hundred long bites before taking the field in competition.  The other issue has to do with temperament, where some showlines are bred to be very tractable and tame.  Granted, you can find some dogs with this flaw in WL's, but they ocurr more often in SL's.  However, there are many sound and well put together SL's that could put to shame some WL dogs.  It is just a matter of matching the dog to the owner.

I completely agree Charlie.

 Quote: From past reading of your posts, you have tons of experiences but I have to agree with Charlie319 on this one. I doubt that the OP will handle a true PPD or of that nature in his work place or else he would have approach the finding of a suitable and purposeful dog in a different way.

Who said anything about a PPD ?? I am just saying that the OP should get a dog that is not going to disappoint him/her.

This whole CRAP about first time handlers should eat shit, and work a shitter, like freshman hazing is retarded. 

If you are going to screw up the dog anyway which is the consensus here for some reason, at least give them a dog that will be fun to work.

OP I am in San Antonio, and you can come and train if you would like.

Jeff Oehlsen, please read extracts from OP posted on the 2nd July on this thread:

"I'm working at a big warehouse by myself every night loacted at south east outside of loop Houston, we have been stolen few times and one day a guy even broke in with a knife (we are scrap metal buyer and sometimes we keep cash in the office). That's why I wanted to have a protection dog.

The breeder was very helpful and told me she is higher drive than other puppy in the litter, I just need more help to build her. I was gonna buy a trained protection dog but most of the trainer will only sell those dog to experienced handler and I was afraid not be able to handle them too, that's why I bought an older puppy and hope I can train her."

To me, it sounds that the OP was expecting a PPD or of that nature in his work place to train from a young puppy with that disposition himself.


BTW, I did not insist the OP to keep the young puppy.  JMPO to give the puppy a chance and then decide later on whether to keep the dog or let it go.  Not dump it like a piece of shit.

simon2629:

How is the pup doing after a week of settling in?  Seems like the weight issue was resolving itself, so it remains to see if the temperament is an issue or a result of his change in circumstances. 

One thing I may have overlooked is that your pup may be tetthing and may feel a little wimpy because of its effects.

For what its worth, you can consider this DVD: http://leerburg.com/120.htm



Jeff:

It is not that "first time handlers should eat shit, and work a shitter", but a question of what is a potential bigger problem/liability with greater consequences for a novice owner.  I would think that sticking him with a WL's pup of DDR/Czech border patrol pedigree would also be flirting with disaster.  Also, if you notice, the advice is not to outright keep or discard the pup, but to give it a chance to get over its one week road-trip and new surroundings.

 Quote: For what its worth, you can consider this DVD: http://leerburg.com/120.htm

Are you high ?? I don't take advice from that knothead. Good grief.  I bought a couple of his tapes 15 years ago to have a good laugh with my friends. I remember that guy getting booted from seminars for filming, and then saying whatever HE thought over the top of the guys work, contradicting what the guy who knew what he was talking about. Know your history buddy. LOL

And then there is the all so super slight chance in hell that he will get some powerhouse from the lines you are describing. Look at cops. They have no experience, and they give them dogs that bite.  I hope he does get a dog that is a bit much. Most dogs that are out there biting like retards are shitter show line dogs. Nerve bags are the danger, not a solid dog from working lines.