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by nugget on 04 May 2010 - 23:05
hi Steve; to put this into a context, it is important to know some of the background. Dog sport started pretty late in the UK, around 1990; however, it expanded rapidly under the auspices of a national, but unrecognized, association, The British Schutzhund Association (BSA). (The British KC at this time were pretty anti schutzhund).
The BSA was, nevertheless, holding successful National Championships overseen by well recognized International Judges and helpers by 1995. The association was governed by a council of the elected clubs. Progress was hampered by the punitive UK quarentine regulations in force at the time in terms of international competition, but we did manage some exellent international events with our Irish friends.
In 2000 after the lifting of the said quarentine regulations we did send a team to WUSV in Austria; (outcome was poor) after that, things rapidly improved as the BSA organized stringent qualification events on behalf of the 2 WUSV member clubs, the GSDL and BAGSD. The Council of the BSA organized negotiations with these 2 bodies to form closer relationships.
In the meantime. performances at WUSV rapidly improved; I think we had decent results in 2004 and 2005. In 2006 a small group of the BSA broke away after covert negotiations with BAGSD and organized their own organization (BAGSD VPG) In that year, the BSA joined the GSDL as a consequence, and remained the far larger organisation. Selection trials were to all intent open and that year and we again had a reasonable result at WUSV. In 2007 we started with a separate selection process, but at this time BAGSD had some good individual dog/handler teams so things were not so bad in Denmark.
It was only in 2008 and 2009 that things went badly wrong. which is a shame, because I got the feeling before this that we were making progress. It does not help that BAGSD have lost many of it's more experienced handlers to the League, and the ones that remain that had good dogs in the past have not as yet managed to replace them; this in my view has led to the present imbalance between the organizations and the necessity for joint trials in order to get the best team. (which BAGSD are unwilling to do)
Nugget.
The BSA was, nevertheless, holding successful National Championships overseen by well recognized International Judges and helpers by 1995. The association was governed by a council of the elected clubs. Progress was hampered by the punitive UK quarentine regulations in force at the time in terms of international competition, but we did manage some exellent international events with our Irish friends.
In 2000 after the lifting of the said quarentine regulations we did send a team to WUSV in Austria; (outcome was poor) after that, things rapidly improved as the BSA organized stringent qualification events on behalf of the 2 WUSV member clubs, the GSDL and BAGSD. The Council of the BSA organized negotiations with these 2 bodies to form closer relationships.
In the meantime. performances at WUSV rapidly improved; I think we had decent results in 2004 and 2005. In 2006 a small group of the BSA broke away after covert negotiations with BAGSD and organized their own organization (BAGSD VPG) In that year, the BSA joined the GSDL as a consequence, and remained the far larger organisation. Selection trials were to all intent open and that year and we again had a reasonable result at WUSV. In 2007 we started with a separate selection process, but at this time BAGSD had some good individual dog/handler teams so things were not so bad in Denmark.
It was only in 2008 and 2009 that things went badly wrong. which is a shame, because I got the feeling before this that we were making progress. It does not help that BAGSD have lost many of it's more experienced handlers to the League, and the ones that remain that had good dogs in the past have not as yet managed to replace them; this in my view has led to the present imbalance between the organizations and the necessity for joint trials in order to get the best team. (which BAGSD are unwilling to do)
Nugget.
by steve1 on 05 May 2010 - 05:05
Well Nugget
In that case BAGSD are wrong in the way they think, It is no good thinking only of yourselves that will never get anyone forwards, If they continue not to co operate we will see later on in the Year if they were right or wrong in not doing so
Perhaps there only criteria is to get individuals to the WUSV and not bother about team effort
Steve1
In that case BAGSD are wrong in the way they think, It is no good thinking only of yourselves that will never get anyone forwards, If they continue not to co operate we will see later on in the Year if they were right or wrong in not doing so
Perhaps there only criteria is to get individuals to the WUSV and not bother about team effort
Steve1
by nugget on 05 May 2010 - 09:05
Hi Steve;
After all my ramblings, that's about the gist of it
Cheers
Nugget
After all my ramblings, that's about the gist of it
Cheers
Nugget
by Sue B on 05 May 2010 - 10:05
Obviously BAGSD's take the saying "Its not all about winning but in taking part" just a little too literally !! 
So glad the UK doesnt have the same type of selection process for our Olympic athletes, otherwise we would have very few Gold Medals to celebrate. We all know the importance of the above saying but where the representation of ones Country in competition is the key, there IS and indeed SHOULD be a difference between "Taking part" and "Partaking" and that is that the BEST should be taking part and the others should be partaking in that decision.
I am proud to be British and if I am to be represented I would always chose to be represented by the Best we have to offer, then and only then am I happy to say "Its not all about the winning but in the taking part". E for B and do your best and that can only be achieved if we send our best to start with.
Best Regards
Sue b
So glad the UK doesnt have the same type of selection process for our Olympic athletes, otherwise we would have very few Gold Medals to celebrate. We all know the importance of the above saying but where the representation of ones Country in competition is the key, there IS and indeed SHOULD be a difference between "Taking part" and "Partaking" and that is that the BEST should be taking part and the others should be partaking in that decision. I am proud to be British and if I am to be represented I would always chose to be represented by the Best we have to offer, then and only then am I happy to say "Its not all about the winning but in the taking part". E for B and do your best and that can only be achieved if we send our best to start with.
Best Regards
Sue b
by steve1 on 05 May 2010 - 12:05
If the UK do not send there very best team then they will unfortunatly be the laughing stock of the WUSV, Some of the comments regards the 2009 team were made to me in Krefeld, i did defend them because i thought the comments not justified but reading this thread i know i was not warranted to do so i should have agreed with the ones saying it and they were believe it or not two Americans and a Guy from Canada
I will not repeat here what they said but Guys if you read this, then you were right and i was wrong to defend the UK team
It is not easy to get selected but only the very best team should go forewards I think it would be an honour to represent your country, and i know the huge amount of time and work it takes a handler and his dog to even get to selection Trials let alone get selected, it is tremendous. But it is for me the team which counts and only the team first thats what the competition is all about firstly the best team then the out right winner second
Steve1
I will not repeat here what they said but Guys if you read this, then you were right and i was wrong to defend the UK team
It is not easy to get selected but only the very best team should go forewards I think it would be an honour to represent your country, and i know the huge amount of time and work it takes a handler and his dog to even get to selection Trials let alone get selected, it is tremendous. But it is for me the team which counts and only the team first thats what the competition is all about firstly the best team then the out right winner second
Steve1
by reason on 07 May 2010 - 13:05
I think a lot of people tuhinkk the same as yo Steve but Mr Nye has only been interested in his own self interests fro many years now and i think only intervention from the WUSV giving him NO choice will get competitors from BOTH Associations on the same field, it will be good for the UK but only if it happens
by snaffydoo on 07 May 2010 - 13:05
aint no secret as it was told to me that old man nye staited at the big agm meeting that he is going to the worlds for his self and it seemed that folk wos shocked
by steve1 on 07 May 2010 - 14:05
snaffydoo
Then he is way off the beam in his way of thinking about the WUSV it is a team effort or should be, but has he qualified yet to be a member of the UK team, over here no one has yet qualified for the Belgium team
Steve1
Then he is way off the beam in his way of thinking about the WUSV it is a team effort or should be, but has he qualified yet to be a member of the UK team, over here no one has yet qualified for the Belgium team
Steve1
by reason on 07 May 2010 - 16:05
Steve
If you follow this link you will find the BAGSD criteria for selection http://vpguk.com/#/wusvfci-2010/4532242735 you will see their process is not complete till end June it allows club trial scores to be counted even your own club and the results are not alwats that easy to find!
If you follow this link you will find the BAGSD criteria for selection http://vpguk.com/#/wusvfci-2010/4532242735 you will see their process is not complete till end June it allows club trial scores to be counted even your own club and the results are not alwats that easy to find!
by fairplay on 07 May 2010 - 20:05
Reason, Here are all their trial results back to 2008.
Their results page on the website has a very hard to find scroll bar at the very bottom lefthand corner of the page. hope this helps!
Washington VPG - 18th April 2010 Judge - John Sneddon
BH
R. Rainbow - Kyonian Alvaro (Presa Canerio) - PASS
M. Thompson - Beckenberry Extreme (Malinois) - PASS
VPG1
G.Robinson - Jotunheim Kara (Dobermann) A71, B61, C70 Total 202
VPG3
D.Hague - Ursus v Olschnabel (GSD) A83 B84 C91 Total 251
S.Nye - Boomer vd Adelegg (GSD) A87 B67 C% Total %
S.Nye - Carlsbro Ozzie (GSD) A79 B80 C76 Total %
T.Nye - Magical Mayhem Vomhausnye (GSD) A95 B77 C80 Total 252
E.Wight - Glen v Hexenkeller (GSD) Withdrawn
D.Wooles - Woolshan Gundel (GSD) A94 B C% Total %
J.Wood - Optikas Gunner (GSD) A90 B83 C% Total %
TR3
J.Rogers - Tyguard Delta (GSD) A75 Total 75
Derbyshire VPG – 19/20/21 March 2010 Judge – Peter Rohde
BH
S. Hutchinson - Mascani Ikon (GSD) – Pass
K.Powdrill – Vonmeister Yorky (GSD) – Fail
A. Wood – Tyguard Falco (GSD) – Pass
J. Hollsworth - Kleeheugal Bonno(GSD) – Pass
E. Beaumont – Bryn Clin Bannoffeepie (AS)- Pass
VPG 1.
G. Buck – Stormhaus Athena (Rott) – 82 72 82
VPG 2
R. Harrison – Ramson Zenos (GSD) – 88 84 85
VPG 3
T. Nye – Magical Mayhem vomhausnye – 23 85 82
D. Hague – Ursus von Olschnedel – 78 92 90
S. Nye – Carlsbro Ozzie – 10 79 94
J. Rogers – Tyguard Delta – 56 withdrawn handler illness
S. Nye – Boomer von der Adelegg – 83 76 91
J. Wood – Optikas Gunner – 70 95 90
AD
S. Hutchinson - Mascani Ikon (GSD) – Pass
J. Hollsworth - Kleeheugal Bonno(GSD) – Pass
K.Powdrill – Vonmeister Yorky (GSD) – Pass
S. Brookes – Kamantas Bethany (GSD) – Pass
P. Sobelewski - Destinys Child (Dobe) - Pass
O.T.V HEUSDEN, BELGIUM. Judge Dianna Segers 21st February 2010
Thomas Nye & Link VGP3 96, 94, 90 Total 280 Highest obedience and 1st place overall
Darren Hague & Ursus VPG3 96, 87, 94 Total 277 Highest Protection & 2nd overall
Jason Rogers & Delta VPG2 93, 90, 80 Total 263 4th place.
Thomas and Darren scores go towards BAGSD Team GB Selections 2010.
Walsall VPG – 24th October 2009 Judge: Tom Nye / John Sneddon
Tracklayer: Richard Harrison
Helper: Richard Harrison
BH
Annegret Tack Benton - Supersmudge to the Stars - GSD X - pass
Jack Greenwood - Red Rex – WS - pass
Les Thorpe - Shnuja Azzi – GSD - pass
Kim Powdrill - Vonmeister Yorky – GSD - pass
Barry Price - Mayanser Xato – GSD - pass
Zep Zizzi - Mascani Camilla – GSD – pass
VPG 1
Stuart Nye - Boomer von der Adelegg – GSD - 89 73 87 249
FH 1
John Clark Pepnick High Spirit – 80
Walsall VPG – 25th October 2009
Judge: Brian Wooton
AD
Elizabeth Beaumont - Manpol Novella – GSD - pass
John Clark - Carlsbro Ozzie – GSD - pass
Agnes Crawford - Kriegergeist Eros – GSD - pass
Laura Ferguson - Barrule Forsdal – GSD - pass
Jack Greenwood Red Rex – WS - pass
Richard Harrison - Ramson Zenos – GSD - pass
Jill Jones - Carlsbro Questa – GSD - pass
Stuart Nye - Boomer von der Adelegg – GSD - pass
Tom Nye - Magical Mayhem vo
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