workingline best new stud - Page 58

GSDPACK - the answer to your questions is no - he hasn't done anything with his dogs other than talk about  doing it.  He's excellent at debating, getting in the last word, and making charts though!

Yes, they all stink at evaluating the working abilities of GSd's.  Let's just go with AKC rules, any dog over 6 months can and should be bred.  Not titles, no working tests.  If the dog can run around in a circle and not bite the judge, damn he's a champion.  No need for OFA or any health tests either.  

For those of us that can evaluate a good GSD these three phases can tell us an awful lot about a dog.  It's character, temperament, drives, thresholds and even which ones will protect us if need be.   I can tell a lot when I work or test a dog, or even watch someone else work dogs.  I guess you have to do it on a regular basis to be able to see the differences in the dogs and the value of all three phases. 

I am always amazed by people that are into working line GSD's and breeds them, talks about their pedigree, their ancestors but never titles them or really works them.  To me it's like having a Ferrari and never taking it out of the garage or on the highway.  Part of the beauty is the speed and power.  For me part of the joy of owning a working line dog is working it, training  and testing it's abilities. 

Jim

I figured.. well I am going to go and screw around with my no ability FH2 dog. It amazes me becasue most of the police dogs from my childhood all had SPS1 at last.. I wonder why all those boys wasted time on the police, street dogs to do these disciplines. They seemed to use their noses just fine at work!

Till someone puts an FH title on a dog.. they should not bash those dogs nose ability. All it is is that somebody doesnt know how to read a dog at work... dogs dont lie, people doubt them only!

Jim.. for some it is taking about the ferrari, polishing it, advertizing the crap out of it and bash any other fast car that has some milage on it! Right?

I am actually saddened.dissapointed and still stupidly naive. Who would want to pass on this unbelievable bond, partnership, and the middle fingers that you get to exchange with your dog. I love when my dogs do great, I love when I get challenged.. geez how in the hell can one not want to experience that... weird.

Back to the OP. the bestnew stud is the one that has heart to do the job for the handler and is easy to handle. Produces well and the real results will be seen in the next two generations!

I have done mantracking, and as I already stated in a previous post, I think is a much better test of scenting ability that sport tracking. If you don't like my opinion, too bad, it was asked for. Sport tracking isn't about measuring the dog's ability to scent, and you're kidding yourselves otherwise.

Don't talk about it at all if you haven't done it.  You don't know what you are talking about!!!   People who have actually handled, trained and judged dogs for FH and FH2 tracks - as well as "sport" tracking will tell you it is certainly not easy, and it is certainly a very good test of the dogs' scenting as well as problem-solving abilities (as well as stamina, condition, trainability, intelligence - and etc! (whoever is really interested in facts instead of someone talking from their armchair)   But of course you will now respond with another last word anyway despite the fact that you don't know what you are talking about having zero actual experience doing anything resembling training a dog to actual working title.

Daryl of ehret kennels,

I don't understand where you are coming from.  You state on your website:   Ideally they should have a "job" to do.  I don't see any indication that your breeding dogs have any jobs besides putting out pet puppies from untitled parents.  There is a Schutzhund club about 100 miles from you with a USA judge as training director why not check it out?

You talk about how great Hutch is, but there would be no Hutch if Koos didn't follow correct breeding practices for the German Shepherd Working dog.  Your breeding prgram is doing a disservice to Koos and all his hard work.  By breeding generation after generation of untitiled dogs you are watering down Teikerhook kennels work. 

Get a grip on your breeding program.

D-  Make that x2 because you have another kennel in Colorado that's pumping out puppies too.

Lovely, another website research critic!  Maybe you should quit listening to molly's nonsense.  I trained in schutzhund for three years, and herding for only one.  Attending a Gary Patterson seminar, I spoke with him in depth privately, and his impression of Hutch was fine.  I'm not half interested in sport tracking, and no one her can prove it's any indication of superior "scenting ability".  If you can't deal with the fact that I have an opinion of my own, get over yourselves, and preach to someone who'll listen.  I don't HAVE to have a good opinion of the training, no matter how hard of work it is!  The dog's scenting abilities are not going to be improved because of the "hard work," and it wouldn't be hereditary if it DID have an affect.