Bohemia video..... - Page 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXIoCIAVQI&NR=1

There is a civil dog.  not sure if it is a gsd.  dosnt quite look like one?


He got rid of the bad guy though!

um first thought is wow...
he just givers. impressive.

wouldnt want to have a dog like that at home. but nice work to who ever own that dog

and btw.. i think some from CANADA should buy this dog :)

I would not want a dog like this either, but could be one hell of a security dog. 

But he may be a lover of people when not provolked, but i would bet not, if I were a betting man

Any one know the breed?  Mabey one of those mountian dogs?

       Thanks for all the input...: )

    It sounds like it just takes time and experience to tell the difference between prey and defense...


    The dog in the video is certainly interested in biting the man...lol..

  You mentioned the dog is civil...Is a civil dog acting in defense or prey?....

He has a very defensive bark

Civil could refer to the way the decoy is working the dog and the dog desponds in defense. 
Or it could mean that the dog is focused on the man some pelple call it a civil drive, although i dont like to do so
Big grey area here on termonoligy. 

Many dogs have to be trained in defense to exhibit it.

And actually RLHAR, I disagree about showlines showing good work in prey, I think many work quite badly when trained solely in prey. On a whole, most showlines have significantly less prey drive than many workinglines. Training solely in prey is part of why you see such weak work in showlines, that and sometimes these poor dogs are so shuffled around they have 0 relationship with their handler. Showlines do not work simply for the love of work. They MUST have a relationship with the handler, and in my experience if you put some defense on them, with a handler they trust, and they show a COMPLETELY different side than the weak crap you see so often at Seiger shows. Very few people, however, balance defense with prey in their showlines. It takes longer than prey only to do it right and everything is rush-rush-rush with these dogs.

Rik, by the way, that Karo son that you love has incredible defense work. Only dog I've ever handled in PP work where I genuinely was concerned for the helper's safety. I wish the owner would make some videos of him working. He's stellar. Of course since he's black and red I'm sure people would find something to complain about anyway.

KC,

I didn't say it was good work, I said that showlines show best in prey so that is what you often see them worked in.  To be blunt the seiger videos I've seen make me cringe but I try very hard not to just tear down showlines due to the fact that they are usually given only prey so that work doesn't have to be done to give them confidence in defense.

There is an ad for a very handsome showline dog on the PDB, a dog advertized as a participant in the Bundeseiger (sp).  I watched the video so proudly placed on his ad and I wanted to be ill for what it showed.

Personally and especially after the challenges I've gone through with my male, I advocate taking more time with dogs and working them in the proper balance of prey and defense, no matter the lines.  Unfortunately, just like in the thoroughbred world where investors want precocious fast two year olds who are washed up by three, in the dog world people want to the young, flashy prey dogs who have not been built up to withstand pressure and give breeders a clear picture of what they're truly made of.  This affects both lines.

"To be blunt the seiger videos I've seen make me cringe but I try very hard not to just tear down showlines due to the fact that they are usually given only prey so that work doesn't have to be done to give them confidence in defense."


Thank you, thank you, thank you! I wish everyone who made a hobby of ripping showlines to shreds had an understanding of that.