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by charlie319 on 04 July 2010 - 06:07
If you plan to do SchH, avoid all the other obedience classes that emphasize "niceness", or that use negative reinforcement. At this stage, it is not so much about making your dog do this or that, but on creating the bond and trust that will make her want to perform for you. A lot of those obedience courses will squelch your pup's biting and it may cause her to be conflicted when you do protection. Find a local SchH trainer that can help you make your puppy feel like she's 10 foot tall and bulletproof. Lots of play and lots of tug where she wins often. Start working towards your pup's BH
As to the dog-park, I think it is ok, except that you must keep an eye out for other dogs wanting to dominate your pup. Also, keep an eye out for dominant and/or agressive dogs. Many dog owners think that their dog is neither, when in reality they don't pay attention to what "rover" is doing... Once she's a certain age, you may wnt to keep an even tighter control on the environment. this would be even more so with a male.
As to the dog-park, I think it is ok, except that you must keep an eye out for other dogs wanting to dominate your pup. Also, keep an eye out for dominant and/or agressive dogs. Many dog owners think that their dog is neither, when in reality they don't pay attention to what "rover" is doing... Once she's a certain age, you may wnt to keep an even tighter control on the environment. this would be even more so with a male.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 05 July 2010 - 05:07
Quote: I told the breeder I wanted a protection dog with show quality
No such thing. Dump that fox looking thing and start looking for a dog with actual worth. All these pet people trying to convince you to keep a "lazy" 5 month old GSD with dreams that you can "build" are loony.
No such thing. Dump that fox looking thing and start looking for a dog with actual worth. All these pet people trying to convince you to keep a "lazy" 5 month old GSD with dreams that you can "build" are loony.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 05 July 2010 - 05:07
Quote: If you plan to do SchH, avoid all the other obedience classes that emphasize "niceness", or that use negative reinforcement. At this stage, it is not so much about making your dog do this or that, but on creating the bond and trust that will make her want to perform for you. A lot of those obedience courses will squelch your pup's biting and it may cause her to be conflicted when you do protection. Find a local SchH trainer that can help you make your puppy feel like she's 10 foot tall and bulletproof. Lots of play and lots of tug where she wins often. Start working towards your pup's BH
Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you.
Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 05 July 2010 - 05:07
Quote: If you plan to do SchH, avoid all the other obedience classes that emphasize "niceness", or that use negative reinforcement. At this stage, it is not so much about making your dog do this or that, but on creating the bond and trust that will make her want to perform for you. A lot of those obedience courses will squelch your pup's biting and it may cause her to be conflicted when you do protection. Find a local SchH trainer that can help you make your puppy feel like she's 10 foot tall and bulletproof. Lots of play and lots of tug where she wins often. Start working towards your pup's BH
Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you.
Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you.
by VomRuiz on 05 July 2010 - 06:07
Simon,
At your dog's age there is not reason for you to even be considering an E collar. E collars are normally used by experienced trainers with experienced dogs, not novice handlers with a puppy. That's not an insult, I'm saying that because when not used properly you can really screw up your puppy (or a grown dog for that matter.)
Give her time to get used to her surroundings, and your family.
Start taking her to a Schutzhund club if that's what you really want to do with her. The trainers there can help you with drive building and give you a better evaluation of her than anyone here can on a message board.
Remember she is also at the age where most puppies (show and workinglines) go through and insecure phase, so with the big changes in her life, her being even more afraid is normal.
True, she might disappoint you but she may also surprise you. And I agree with Red Sable that if she is not the dog you want, rehome her and get what you are looking for...But I'd take her to a SchH club a few times once or twice a week, and have her evaluated. Give her a chance.
If you're not looking to compete in the Regionals and Nationals and just want a decent protection dog for your home/family, she probably will turn out to be a nice dog.
I don't have anything against Sit Means Sit training for basic obedience, but if you really want to do Schutzhund, skip paying for that training and find a club to join. Otherwise you will have two or more different trainers telling you two completely different ways to train and it will end up being too confusing for you and the puppy.
All the Best
Stacy
At your dog's age there is not reason for you to even be considering an E collar. E collars are normally used by experienced trainers with experienced dogs, not novice handlers with a puppy. That's not an insult, I'm saying that because when not used properly you can really screw up your puppy (or a grown dog for that matter.)
Give her time to get used to her surroundings, and your family.
Start taking her to a Schutzhund club if that's what you really want to do with her. The trainers there can help you with drive building and give you a better evaluation of her than anyone here can on a message board.
Remember she is also at the age where most puppies (show and workinglines) go through and insecure phase, so with the big changes in her life, her being even more afraid is normal.
True, she might disappoint you but she may also surprise you. And I agree with Red Sable that if she is not the dog you want, rehome her and get what you are looking for...But I'd take her to a SchH club a few times once or twice a week, and have her evaluated. Give her a chance.
If you're not looking to compete in the Regionals and Nationals and just want a decent protection dog for your home/family, she probably will turn out to be a nice dog.
I don't have anything against Sit Means Sit training for basic obedience, but if you really want to do Schutzhund, skip paying for that training and find a club to join. Otherwise you will have two or more different trainers telling you two completely different ways to train and it will end up being too confusing for you and the puppy.
All the Best
Stacy
by simon2629 on 05 July 2010 - 16:07
Does anyone know Schutzhund club near Houston TX?
Thanks
Thanks
by VomRuiz on 05 July 2010 - 17:07
www.schutzhundk9.com/club.html
www.tricountyk9.com/protection.htm
www.meetup.com/Houston-SSPC/
Here are a few I found by internet search. I can't offer any advice on which is best to train with, but I would try to make it out to each one to see which is the best fit. The first one you go to may not work for you but don't give up if it doesn't. If you feel uncomfortable try the next one. Good luck!
Stacy
www.tricountyk9.com/protection.htm
www.meetup.com/Houston-SSPC/
Here are a few I found by internet search. I can't offer any advice on which is best to train with, but I would try to make it out to each one to see which is the best fit. The first one you go to may not work for you but don't give up if it doesn't. If you feel uncomfortable try the next one. Good luck!
Stacy
by charlie319 on 05 July 2010 - 22:07
Jeff Oehlsen:
From reading the OP's problem and successive comments, and from actually looking at his pup's breeding, he has a pretty decent shot at having a nice sport dog. Granted, I'm the first one to state that pedigrees don't guarantee squat.
Also, from reading his take on hissituation, wouldn't you think that your recommendation of: "Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you" may actually open a bigger can of worms for what appears to be a novice owner? Maybe for his next pup he can get working lines prey monster, but IMPO, he would not be ready for one now. He's probably better off working through this one, possibly screwing it up, but learning as we all have on our first SchH dog and getting our successive ones right.
Vom Ruiz is right on why avoid all the obedience trainers and just go SchH/IPO and build upon the obedience taught there.
From reading the OP's problem and successive comments, and from actually looking at his pup's breeding, he has a pretty decent shot at having a nice sport dog. Granted, I'm the first one to state that pedigrees don't guarantee squat.
Also, from reading his take on hissituation, wouldn't you think that your recommendation of: "Start working towards getting a dog that isn't going to disappoint the shit out of you" may actually open a bigger can of worms for what appears to be a novice owner? Maybe for his next pup he can get working lines prey monster, but IMPO, he would not be ready for one now. He's probably better off working through this one, possibly screwing it up, but learning as we all have on our first SchH dog and getting our successive ones right.
Vom Ruiz is right on why avoid all the obedience trainers and just go SchH/IPO and build upon the obedience taught there.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 06 July 2010 - 10:07
I think that with what the op requested, the dog should go back to the breeder. The other clue was the dog is lazy at 5 months. I just don't like to hear that. It is a good sign that the dog is shitter material, and at best will just frustrate someone.
No one is going to get their first dog "just" right, but it is a lot more fun with one that is a better deal than this one. Breeders need to get pups back when they do not work out, so maybe they will raise the bar next time they consider breeding.
No one is going to get their first dog "just" right, but it is a lot more fun with one that is a better deal than this one. Breeders need to get pups back when they do not work out, so maybe they will raise the bar next time they consider breeding.
by poseidon on 06 July 2010 - 11:07
Jeff Oehlson,
From past reading of your posts, you have tons of experiences but I have to agree with Charlie319 on this one. I doubt that the OP will handle a true PPD or of that nature in his work place or else he would have approach the finding of a suitable and purposeful dog in a different way.
The OP got a young puppy at 5 months from the breeder which I think is unusual in the first place. We do not know the true history of that puppy; has he been returned from a previous owner, did the puppy have a balance socialisation during those critical months? etc...
Having acquired the puppy, I feel the responsibily is with the OP to at least do his best and give the puppy an opportunity to progress at least some months before putting the poor dog through another send away. To me, I believe its a learning process whatever the outcome is to be.
What if the OP had acquired a strong young dog and has no clue how to deal with the high energy for control, that would pose problems as well.
Live and learn and do right with some considerations for the welfare of the dog. Only then, will one make a correct decision about whether to keep the dog or let it go. JMPO.
From past reading of your posts, you have tons of experiences but I have to agree with Charlie319 on this one. I doubt that the OP will handle a true PPD or of that nature in his work place or else he would have approach the finding of a suitable and purposeful dog in a different way.
The OP got a young puppy at 5 months from the breeder which I think is unusual in the first place. We do not know the true history of that puppy; has he been returned from a previous owner, did the puppy have a balance socialisation during those critical months? etc...
Having acquired the puppy, I feel the responsibily is with the OP to at least do his best and give the puppy an opportunity to progress at least some months before putting the poor dog through another send away. To me, I believe its a learning process whatever the outcome is to be.
What if the OP had acquired a strong young dog and has no clue how to deal with the high energy for control, that would pose problems as well.
Live and learn and do right with some considerations for the welfare of the dog. Only then, will one make a correct decision about whether to keep the dog or let it go. JMPO.
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