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by OGBS on 04 January 2011 - 06:01
You're saying the administrator knows enough to know what "V" and "KKl1" are to put it on the web site on their own, but, not enough to find out if it is accurate?
What a coincidence that it is inaccurate on here also?
If you own the dog wouldn't you want it to be correct?
It's no big deal, but, fix it.

by GSDPACK on 04 January 2011 - 07:01
I am not sure who owns the web site. This is the info copied from it (in the females section "Jena" first dog). Reno has never been owned by any head of a border patrol program. The owner of this dog worked for him, but the dog was owned by a private party, he just was used as a stud there for a while. he never changed hands.
Maybe whoever wrote that wants to fix it. That is all...
good night

by steve1 on 04 January 2011 - 07:01
This dog is the WUSV 2010 Champion father of my Izzy, the track layers just walked over the course they did not scuff the ground at all but trod lightly, i could not see any foot marks at all which was right and left turns in no order seemed a tricky course for the dogs to follow.
the Ground was rock hard baked in the sun and a stiff breeze blowing this was in Seville Spain last year. over 20 dogs failed the Tracking, I have never seen so much open plateau before in my life right to the horizon all you could see was open terrain like the stuff the dogs were working on. They grew Sunflower on this ground it seemed, and the rabbit burrows looked like they were a yard apart from each other,
Steve1
by duke1965 on 04 January 2011 - 10:01
on the pedigree its mentioned as tr ,
for example xac zps is kkl1 tom is kkl2 , so faro being a KKL1 is very good possible

by darylehret on 04 January 2011 - 12:01
While that is correct in many instances duke, the SV database does not indicate a kkl rating for Faro. He is indicated as "V" under show results, probably a translation of Výstava "VD" , or very good. But no trida rating (tr.) under the Czech or Slovak system is present, and no Kkl rating under the German record. Whether he's "recommended for breeding" or not, he has made a significant impact in the Policia-Slovakia breeding program.
OGBS, I'll pass the word on for you. Good grief. That's it, I'm going to resume ignoring all irrelevant questions directed at me.
by eichenluft on 04 January 2011 - 14:01
So, Daryl - your dog is not in fact rated KKl-1 by a Koermeister/conformation/breed survey judge of any kind - in fact he is NOT Kkl-1 - he was in fact NOT breed surveyed and judged by an SV Koermeister as "recommended for breeding" EARNING a KKl-1 rating - yet you advertise him as Kkl-1 on your website, on the PDB and whereever else you advertise/tout your dogs - because he is, in your words "an ideal" rating under the slovak system - What about the V in front of his name - that would indicate he received an Excellent conformation rating - yet you admit it "probably" means "very good" which would be SG, or why don't you remove the V since apparently that is not correct either, and false advertising?
You are breeding a "herding female" - though the female in fact has no herding titles...... You talk about your dogs' work in SAR and Schutzhund, though your dogs have no SAR certs or Schh titles to speak of..... your **** advertising is really concerning. (comment deleted by zmod) Your dogs' extreme drives, as demonstrated by.......... your opinion again I guess, since he is not titled?
I sure hope anyone interested in your puppies/program will do some of their own research ie making sure your claims of hip ratings, temperament, drives, scores (or lack of) and bloodlines before assuming what you are saying is legit and not just a spin to sell puppies!
oh well.
by eichenluft on 04 January 2011 - 14:01
Whether he's made a significant imprint in a breeding program or not, he has not earned a V (excellent) or KKl-1 except in your opinion and translation - so he should not be advertised as having earned them.

by zmoderator on 04 January 2011 - 14:01
While it's natural and healthy for a thread to evolve and change somewhat, this thread is in danger of devolving to the point where it will have to be closed. Further negative comments regarding member's breeding programs, and comments regarding dogs not specifically mentioned as "workingline best new stud" will be deleted in their entirety, and continuing in this "tit for tat" vein will lead to the closing of this thread.
thanks for your cooperation.
by eichenluft on 04 January 2011 - 15:01
by Bob McKown on 04 January 2011 - 15:01
Newguy:
What it comes down to is there is no "best stud" each breeding has to be qualified by the match of the pair. You will look for a male that brings the qualities that match your female or will carry the improvements that you hope to make in the breeding.
From the "BigTime" puppy producers to "Big Self Promoters" on this post to the arm chair quarterbacks they all have there opinions on what makes a "stud" I guess the important thing is to remember when it comes to a breeding male is what do you want in a male and then find him.
Just remember "show me the dog and I,ll read about him latter" that normallly covers it.
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