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by Slamdunc on 03 January 2011 - 20:01
Sporty,
It must be nice to train for 2 or 3 years or more with a dog then pick a trial to compete or title your dog at. You pick the trial based on who the Judge is, how far away or convenient, the weather, who the decoys are, and when you think your dog will be in top trial condition. How will the tracking fields be? Who is my competition or is it my "club trial." This is generally the thought process for competing with a sport dog. You plan out the schedule for the competitions and check for events sometimes years in advance.
A K9 handler doesn't get the same luxuries; to train for years and then pick the right "event" to compete in. I am going to work tonight and I hope I get the chance to "compete." Hopefully some polite citizen will be so helpful and lay me a track, maybe around 1 or 2 AM. If they lay me a good track, I may have a nice starting point and maybe a "scent pad or article". The really considerate citizens lay a track that goes through a nice field or into the woods and wait at the end for me. Then we do some aggression control work, maybe a bite and an out, then a "guard or hold and bark." Perhaps there will be a rebite, or they can change it up and it may be a "no bite" situation and a "call off." The polite citizen won't be wearing any equipment, so the no bite situation has to be very clean. No points awarded for dirty bites, but there are consequences for it.
When you judge a dog and handler in any venue, you must judge them as a team. How well they work together and then individually. Is it a good handler with a mediocre dog? Is it a great dog with a mediocre handler. Are they both great or both marginal. There is a lot to consider when evaluating and passing judgment on others.
A good K9 team needs a good cop, with good instincts and a decent dog. The good, successful K9 handlers don't have to be the world's best dog handlers. They have to be able to control their dogs and find the bad guys and have excellent instincts when they do and sound judgement. Their dogs do not have to do flashy sport type obedience, they have to be clean, but no "automatic outs." The biggest thing is being able to read their dog and know what it is telling them. I know plenty of guys, whose OB in my opinion is ok, far from great. But it is an art form to go with them and watch them track their dogs and apprehend bad guys. They can tell from an ear set change that their dog has missed a turn. From a subtle loss of track indication they can guide their dog back to the last known spot the dog was on the track and reacquire. These guys would probably be "poor handlers" in your book, because they don't care about flashy OB, just motivated to do the job.
Ok, getting off the soap box now.
FWIW,
Jim
It must be nice to train for 2 or 3 years or more with a dog then pick a trial to compete or title your dog at. You pick the trial based on who the Judge is, how far away or convenient, the weather, who the decoys are, and when you think your dog will be in top trial condition. How will the tracking fields be? Who is my competition or is it my "club trial." This is generally the thought process for competing with a sport dog. You plan out the schedule for the competitions and check for events sometimes years in advance.
A K9 handler doesn't get the same luxuries; to train for years and then pick the right "event" to compete in. I am going to work tonight and I hope I get the chance to "compete." Hopefully some polite citizen will be so helpful and lay me a track, maybe around 1 or 2 AM. If they lay me a good track, I may have a nice starting point and maybe a "scent pad or article". The really considerate citizens lay a track that goes through a nice field or into the woods and wait at the end for me. Then we do some aggression control work, maybe a bite and an out, then a "guard or hold and bark." Perhaps there will be a rebite, or they can change it up and it may be a "no bite" situation and a "call off." The polite citizen won't be wearing any equipment, so the no bite situation has to be very clean. No points awarded for dirty bites, but there are consequences for it.
When you judge a dog and handler in any venue, you must judge them as a team. How well they work together and then individually. Is it a good handler with a mediocre dog? Is it a great dog with a mediocre handler. Are they both great or both marginal. There is a lot to consider when evaluating and passing judgment on others.
A good K9 team needs a good cop, with good instincts and a decent dog. The good, successful K9 handlers don't have to be the world's best dog handlers. They have to be able to control their dogs and find the bad guys and have excellent instincts when they do and sound judgement. Their dogs do not have to do flashy sport type obedience, they have to be clean, but no "automatic outs." The biggest thing is being able to read their dog and know what it is telling them. I know plenty of guys, whose OB in my opinion is ok, far from great. But it is an art form to go with them and watch them track their dogs and apprehend bad guys. They can tell from an ear set change that their dog has missed a turn. From a subtle loss of track indication they can guide their dog back to the last known spot the dog was on the track and reacquire. These guys would probably be "poor handlers" in your book, because they don't care about flashy OB, just motivated to do the job.
Ok, getting off the soap box now.
FWIW,
Jim
by SportySchGuy on 03 January 2011 - 20:01
Jim, you have no idea how funny your post is and you will never guess why. I completely agree with you but I am telling you I have seen some of the poorest dog handling from police K9 handlers and yes that is plural.
Im not trying to down Police k9 handlers either. I know that there are great ones out there and many that get their job done despite not having the best trained dog or adequate time to refine their training. I commend their efforts and yours. I am simply stating what I have seen and I am not...I am not comparing their handling to sport handlers or sport dogs.
Im not trying to down Police k9 handlers either. I know that there are great ones out there and many that get their job done despite not having the best trained dog or adequate time to refine their training. I commend their efforts and yours. I am simply stating what I have seen and I am not...I am not comparing their handling to sport handlers or sport dogs.
by Slamdunc on 03 January 2011 - 20:01
Sporty,
You can always fill me in, I'm not a good guesser.
Jim
You can always fill me in, I'm not a good guesser.
Jim
by SportySchGuy on 03 January 2011 - 21:01
Jim, I sent you a PM.
by steve1 on 03 January 2011 - 21:01
Is this what you would call an easy track
Steve1
Steve1
by Slamdunc on 03 January 2011 - 21:01
Steve,
Excellent picture and a super nice tracking dog. Good looking dog too, is it one of yours?
I would say that is easier than asphalt or concrete, especially with cars and people pasing by. But more challenging perhaps than grass. The distrubance made by footprints is very detectable to dogs, it is very good training though.
Love the picture.
Jim
Excellent picture and a super nice tracking dog. Good looking dog too, is it one of yours?
I would say that is easier than asphalt or concrete, especially with cars and people pasing by. But more challenging perhaps than grass. The distrubance made by footprints is very detectable to dogs, it is very good training though.
Love the picture.
Jim
by darylehret on 04 January 2011 - 01:01
Everyone here has real focusing issues.
OGBS, Faro is not rated "Kkl1" or Kkl2. His breed survey is is an "ideal" 5JVQ5/55P under the Slovak (not Czech) system. The foreign titles are recognized by the SV for what they are, but not as SchH equivalents. The SV will award them SchH titles as they earn them, and additionaly record their already present Czech or Slovak titles in the SV database.
If you (or others) want to start a "workingline best OLD stud" thread, or a "let's make this all about Daryl" thread, be my guest. You can even PM me, not that I expect you would. "What you're missing" is your problem, I don't care if you ever know. I never claimed to have any videos demonstrating anything "extreme", and I wasn't even the one who posted the video of Hutch. Usually when I cut a video, it's for a specific purpose for a specific person to view (and not terribly important) - but used as a communication tool, not an advertising display.
OGBS, Faro is not rated "Kkl1" or Kkl2. His breed survey is is an "ideal" 5JVQ5/55P under the Slovak (not Czech) system. The foreign titles are recognized by the SV for what they are, but not as SchH equivalents. The SV will award them SchH titles as they earn them, and additionaly record their already present Czech or Slovak titles in the SV database.
If you (or others) want to start a "workingline best OLD stud" thread, or a "let's make this all about Daryl" thread, be my guest. You can even PM me, not that I expect you would. "What you're missing" is your problem, I don't care if you ever know. I never claimed to have any videos demonstrating anything "extreme", and I wasn't even the one who posted the video of Hutch. Usually when I cut a video, it's for a specific purpose for a specific person to view (and not terribly important) - but used as a communication tool, not an advertising display.
by Felloffher on 04 January 2011 - 02:01
Great avatar picture SportySchGuy! LOL.
by OGBS on 04 January 2011 - 03:01
Daryl,
I asked because I did not know and I have a dog that he is the grandsire of.
It is a legitimate question.
http://www.ehretk9.com/males.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/403454.html
Thank you for answering it. You may want to let your ex-wife know.
I asked because I did not know and I have a dog that he is the grandsire of.
It is a legitimate question.
http://www.ehretk9.com/males.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/403454.html
Thank you for answering it. You may want to let your ex-wife know.
by darylehret on 04 January 2011 - 05:01
My (separated) wife knows better than to rely on the inaccuracies of this database, and her website is administered by someone else. Maybe you would like to volunteer your services.
zmoderator edit: Titles are added by those who enter the dogs information, therefore that would be the pary responsible for any inaccuracy.
zmoderator edit: Titles are added by those who enter the dogs information, therefore that would be the pary responsible for any inaccuracy.
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