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I don't breed for extreme drives, and have never claimed to. I like enough drive to be trainable for any sport or working venue, no extremes, hectic or hyper - because I like dogs that can work and do as well as the handler wants him to, then come home and be a family dog too (same dog). That's what I like, and so that's what I breed for. Normal to high drives, plenty to train as far as the handler wants to go - the dog is capable of going to that level. AND great family dogs. No extremes in either direction.

 

A whole paragraph about levels of drive that you prefer, and you just arbitrarily toss in "hectic or hyper".

 Because, 6 weeks is too young to assess anything but cuteness? You know that, right???? Maybe you don't, so now you do know. 6 weeks is too young to test anything but cuteness...

You're kidding, right?!  AAAAAAAhahahhahahahahha!
How about some 6 week old cuteness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5uLKOtN1qQ

This may be nothing but semantics.  Perhaps everyone needs to explain what they see as the difference  between an extreme dog and a correct high drive dog?  One person's example of an "extreme" dog may be another person's example of a "correct high drive" dog, no?

daryll , would this be medium balldrive , average , or super ,according to your standarts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEPL8TebA5o&NR=1

This is where we have a problem in definitions, there isn't a working dog dictionary, so we don't come from a common frame of reference.

From my point of view, hyper has nothing to do with drive state, it's the kind of dog that simply can't  settle in the house, constantly pacing, those kinds of behaviours.   

Hectic is totally different, not related to drive state.  A hectic dog loses his mind easily, you can see this on the track, for example.  A high drive dog on the track will pull hard, the work with this dog is to get him to go at a correct pace, but his attention to the task at hand is intense.  A hectic dog will start getting herky jerky, raise his head, caste about from side to side, etc.. 

As far the difference between an extreme drive dog and a high drive dog, it depends who you are talking to, again a problem of no real definition. 

If someone could provide a video showing what they think is the difference between a high drive correct dog and an extreme dog it would be really helpful. 

duke, that dog does a summersault or rollover 10% of the time after the retrieve, picking up a mouthful of dirt as well.  A casual toss was thrown in order to not bring him too high for the demonstration.  Sometimes the toy's a bit much, and this dog works fine with only praise.  He can also settle perfectly fine, and safe around kids and small animals.

Don't forget the "many" drives, each with the potential of being exhibited on an extreme level.  Toy, food, prey, hunt, defense, pack..... 

sure , but how would you define the balldrive in the clip
Ill give you one of my dogs too , same question , do you think her balldrive is average , medium , super or else

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G17cyznTTQ

 Quote:  Because, 6 weeks is too young to assess anything but cuteness?

Yet they were there for some reason.

I have no idea why you cannot asses anything but cuteness from 6 week old pups. 

Quote: (and training a guarding exercise for a ball) - Pathetic.

Yes, pathetic would describe your knowledge in ringsport. I am sure that you think you know better than all those clueless people who actually train the sport. Of course you think it is a "guarding" exercise.

Quote: Nice puppies, according to everyone but you. So that's ok with me since I couldn't care less what you think of them. And, they were all (but one) sold into working homes where their owners are thrilled with them so far - kept one for myself, thrilled so far with her.

Like I said, you love your doorknobs.

duke, my video's intent was to demonstrate the dog's promptness and attentiveness to the handler, despite the handler's bland enthusiasm, but not "ball drive".  Your video demonstrates possessiveness to me, not ball drive.  My young girl is much the same, determined to stay on, and would drop her toy only to seize a different toy from another unwilling dog.  She likes to "take" and play keepaway, the thrill of persuit and being persued, than for the actual object itself.

how hard can it be to get your view on a simple thing like balldrive
so are you saying my bitch is possesive but has low balldrive
what about hutch , on possesive and balldrive??