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by bubbabooboo on 30 May 2013 - 14:05
Ramgsd .. The Pope is Catholic .. please refute that or consider your request fulfilled
by Kevin Nance on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
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by Kevin Nance on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
Bubba (As usual off topic),
A large part of the reason the USCA has a breed registry recognizing ONLY properly titled and KOERed dogs, is the WUSV REQUIRES it via their constitution as a condition of membership. It is a flawed program (of our's) but nonetheless well intended and has nothing to do, as you assert, with "superiority complexes" or attempts at such....
If the GSDCA adhered accordingly, I would have no issue with their WUSV membership as "qualified" via their (the WUSV's) very clearly spelled out requirements. The GSDCA does not (and I don't begrudge them). It merely means they represent a different constituency of the German Shepherd Dog world. It is called the AKC standard and it is their primary focus and I wish them and their people nothing but the best.
This has been hashed ad nauseum, but the WUSV chooses to "recognize" the GSDCA ONLY for political purposes and financial gain and NOT for their adherence, promotion of, and compliance with the SV standard as the WUSV Constitution regarding membership status states.
But, Charles, congratulations; you have sucked me in once more to response toward an off topic, nonsense rant...
Best to you and your many skewed, inaccurate perceptions.
The forum topic and no doubt many, many drawn out "rebuttals" is all your's.
Kevin Nance
A large part of the reason the USCA has a breed registry recognizing ONLY properly titled and KOERed dogs, is the WUSV REQUIRES it via their constitution as a condition of membership. It is a flawed program (of our's) but nonetheless well intended and has nothing to do, as you assert, with "superiority complexes" or attempts at such....
If the GSDCA adhered accordingly, I would have no issue with their WUSV membership as "qualified" via their (the WUSV's) very clearly spelled out requirements. The GSDCA does not (and I don't begrudge them). It merely means they represent a different constituency of the German Shepherd Dog world. It is called the AKC standard and it is their primary focus and I wish them and their people nothing but the best.
This has been hashed ad nauseum, but the WUSV chooses to "recognize" the GSDCA ONLY for political purposes and financial gain and NOT for their adherence, promotion of, and compliance with the SV standard as the WUSV Constitution regarding membership status states.
But, Charles, congratulations; you have sucked me in once more to response toward an off topic, nonsense rant...
Best to you and your many skewed, inaccurate perceptions.
The forum topic and no doubt many, many drawn out "rebuttals" is all your's.
Kevin Nance
by Blitzen on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
Congrats to you and your wife, Kevin!!!!
by Kevin Nance on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
Thank you, Blitzen.
:)
Kevin
:)
Kevin
by bubbabooboo on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
So the WUSV does not recognize the SV pedigree the GSDCA-WDA members use .. Really ?? This will be news to the GSDCA-WDA. All they need is a self inking stamp and they can change all of their SV pedigrees to SV/GSDCA-WDA as has the USCA with the USCA/SV pedigrees. What a load of BS. Nobody recognizes the USCA breed registry without the SV on it and an AKC registration Nobody needs the USCA pedigree with their stamp but the USCA. The FCI recognizes the AKC through an agreement of understanding and the SV recognizes itself so why the USCA breed registry??
Perhaps there is a political purpose that the WUSV recognizes the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA and the USCA. I think the purpose is first that the GSDCA has a better connection to the 3.5 million GSD owners that are not part of IPO in the USA. Second I think the WUSV is happy to have a division of power in the USA as the track record of neither the GSDCA-WDA nor the USCA inspires confidence in their leadership.
Perhaps there is a political purpose that the WUSV recognizes the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA and the USCA. I think the purpose is first that the GSDCA has a better connection to the 3.5 million GSD owners that are not part of IPO in the USA. Second I think the WUSV is happy to have a division of power in the USA as the track record of neither the GSDCA-WDA nor the USCA inspires confidence in their leadership.
by Bob McKown on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
Kevin Nance is my hero!
by Blitzen on 30 May 2013 - 15:05
Mine too, Bob, and his wife ain't doing too bad either.
by Mystere on 30 May 2013 - 16:05
Charley Finley!! Booboo, honey, you have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you? Clearly, you do, or you would have been able to read that it is not "just" AKC registration that is required for either the USCA/SV dual registration, or the USCA registration. CKC (Canadian Kennel Club, if you were unable to decipher that) can also be used. In fact, I intend to USCA/SV register a CKC-registered dog in the near-future.
Really? I am careful to always use "USCA" and I may rarely slip back into the former acronym, but I am sure that I have not. What you apparently latch onto like a tick is the ONE time the term "USA" has been used as a reference to United Schutzhund Clubs of America in eons/ages/years on this forum. And, at that, from a document used for a decade or more (among hundreds of pages on the USCA site) on which a "C" has inadvertently not been added. Did that just make your day, Sweetie? Glad to oblige and so cheaply!
Instead of latching onto the lack of a "C" so fiercely, why not answer as to why YOU are not on the field with your dogs, as, after all, you acknowledge that schutzhund /IPO is a breed-worthiness test and you are a breeder. So..... Please explain why no one has seen the name "Charley Finley" and/or "Hard Kandee" in any trial results, or even show results.
Finally, it is pretty clear that the only TROLL here is you--you will note that the image is male, so don't try to project. It's unbecoming. Really, was it the "Little Man Syndrome" remark? I apologize. 
Now, can we return to the TOPIC--the QUALIFICATION TRIAL taking place in two days??
BEST WISHES TO ALL INVOLVED!! I am sure that the host club will do its usual great job with the event. May the Schutzhund Gods be smiling in Ohio this weekend and provide lush, green grass and 300 lb track-layers for tracking, flawless retrieves and send-outs, strong helpers with beaucoup "presence," so the dogs can really show what they have!! No rain, winds, humidity or heat. Above all, may ALL have a great time.
GO TEAM USCA!
Really? I am careful to always use "USCA" and I may rarely slip back into the former acronym, but I am sure that I have not. What you apparently latch onto like a tick is the ONE time the term "USA" has been used as a reference to United Schutzhund Clubs of America in eons/ages/years on this forum. And, at that, from a document used for a decade or more (among hundreds of pages on the USCA site) on which a "C" has inadvertently not been added. Did that just make your day, Sweetie? Glad to oblige and so cheaply!
Instead of latching onto the lack of a "C" so fiercely, why not answer as to why YOU are not on the field with your dogs, as, after all, you acknowledge that schutzhund /IPO is a breed-worthiness test and you are a breeder. So..... Please explain why no one has seen the name "Charley Finley" and/or "Hard Kandee" in any trial results, or even show results.
Finally, it is pretty clear that the only TROLL here is you--you will note that the image is male, so don't try to project.
It's unbecoming. Really, was it the "Little Man Syndrome" remark? I apologize. Now, can we return to the TOPIC--the QUALIFICATION TRIAL taking place in two days??
BEST WISHES TO ALL INVOLVED!! I am sure that the host club will do its usual great job with the event. May the Schutzhund Gods be smiling in Ohio this weekend and provide lush, green grass and 300 lb track-layers for tracking, flawless retrieves and send-outs, strong helpers with beaucoup "presence," so the dogs can really show what they have!! No rain, winds, humidity or heat. Above all, may ALL have a great time.
GO TEAM USCA!
by bubbabooboo on 30 May 2013 - 16:05
AKC and SV registered dogs are recognized by the FCI. The USCA is not a member of the FCI. My reading comprehension and color vision are both just fine and the situation with the FCI, AKC, and the USCA breed registry is correct as written. Whether it be the AKC or the CKC the FCI does not give any weight to the USCA breed registry because the USCA is not a FCI member .. the USCA part is meaningless and the FCI does not recognize the USCA dog without a CKC or AKC registry .. or in other words the CKC and AKC pedigree is all that is needed for FCI recognition regardless of whatever other paper you add to the pile. You can dual register with CKC and USCA/SV all you want but the USCA part of the paper mess is redundant. AKC and SV is just as good as AKC plus USCA/SV as the USCA part is only recognized by the USCA. Substitute CKC wherever you want for AKC and add party hats and smiley faces as needed.
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