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by Gustav on 02 November 2012 - 23:11
What does AKC have to do with SDA? I missed that. .....I could be way off on this, but I really dont see a difference in the dogs at the USCA Seiger show and the WDA Seiger show, or the USCA national working dog championship and the WDA national championship, or the judges from abroad judging these events......so I just dont understand the posturing. So other than peoples feelings about things, I see the same things on both sides of the room. Of course I dont have a dog in the fight and refuse for either of them to validate me. Just observing and trying to reconcile what I see....lol
by Sheesh on 03 November 2012 - 00:11
by Dobermannman on 03 November 2012 - 00:11
Gustav
The AKC had nothing to do with SDA (Sport Dog Association I think) That was the UKC version of Schutzhund in a bite suit.
The AKC program was WDS (Working Dog Sport) which AKC abandoned in favor of recognizing (putting on AKC pedigrees) Schutzhund/IPO titles earned at certain AKC breed club events.
Back to GSD politics :-)
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09 BH TT
The AKC had nothing to do with SDA (Sport Dog Association I think) That was the UKC version of Schutzhund in a bite suit.
The AKC program was WDS (Working Dog Sport) which AKC abandoned in favor of recognizing (putting on AKC pedigrees) Schutzhund/IPO titles earned at certain AKC breed club events.
Back to GSD politics :-)
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO II STP I
Winterfell Arya (11/27/09)BH TT K9NW I
Gwrgenau vom Himmelhoch (8/19/09 BH TT
by Gertrude Besserwisser on 03 November 2012 - 07:11
Hello Jim
If Jerry Slavens is living in Florda, you have more recent information than I do. The last time I saw him was in Kentucky at the 2008 NASS. He is the most reliable source for you and your book having been president of the UScA for such a long time. My information comes from Jerry. He visited me about 11-12 years ago and stayed at my house. Over dinner he related the early history of the UScA and gave me the earliest 5 or six copies of the magazine from the early 1980's. If you know where he is living, I would contact him while you still have the chance. He must be close to or past 80 now.
Also Dick Medlen could probably tell you a lot. Others who would know about things include Kay Koerner, David Landau, Gordon Esselman, George Shumaker, Phil Holcher, Dieter Schellenberger, Morton Goldfarb, Sara Hitchens, Herbert Preiser, Gary Patterson, Tom Rose and many more. Any of these people know a lot more than I do because they were in UScA well before I was. I only joined in 1989.
All that I know, I have primarily from Jerry Slavens, although over the years others such as Dick Medlen, David Landau, Wayne Davis and Bob Wyatt and few others have given me bits of information. So I can hardly be considered a primarily source that you should use. If you are writing a book, you need to talk to the people who were there. Those mentioned above.
If Jerry Slavens is living in Florda, you have more recent information than I do. The last time I saw him was in Kentucky at the 2008 NASS. He is the most reliable source for you and your book having been president of the UScA for such a long time. My information comes from Jerry. He visited me about 11-12 years ago and stayed at my house. Over dinner he related the early history of the UScA and gave me the earliest 5 or six copies of the magazine from the early 1980's. If you know where he is living, I would contact him while you still have the chance. He must be close to or past 80 now.
Also Dick Medlen could probably tell you a lot. Others who would know about things include Kay Koerner, David Landau, Gordon Esselman, George Shumaker, Phil Holcher, Dieter Schellenberger, Morton Goldfarb, Sara Hitchens, Herbert Preiser, Gary Patterson, Tom Rose and many more. Any of these people know a lot more than I do because they were in UScA well before I was. I only joined in 1989.
All that I know, I have primarily from Jerry Slavens, although over the years others such as Dick Medlen, David Landau, Wayne Davis and Bob Wyatt and few others have given me bits of information. So I can hardly be considered a primarily source that you should use. If you are writing a book, you need to talk to the people who were there. Those mentioned above.
by Dog Bum on 07 November 2012 - 07:11
Gernot Ridel was recruited to fill the GSDCA SchH liaison post twice, which he quit twice. Alfons Ertlet, Leo Mueller, Greg Roberts, and others formed the German Shepherd Dog Club of the U. S. and hosted the first American Sieger Show on Chino, CA in 1980. Entry in the open class required a schh title. Asslan v.
Klammle, owned by Greg Roberts was the first American Sieger. GSDCUS folded shortly following Alfons' death (He was run over by a bus).
Bill Collins, owner of Wax v.d. Wienerau, attempted to recruit Gernot into GSDCA a third time. Gernot stiffed Collins and Heinz Madsen got the call from Collins instead.
Klammle, owned by Greg Roberts was the first American Sieger. GSDCUS folded shortly following Alfons' death (He was run over by a bus).
Bill Collins, owner of Wax v.d. Wienerau, attempted to recruit Gernot into GSDCA a third time. Gernot stiffed Collins and Heinz Madsen got the call from Collins instead.
by Rik on 07 November 2012 - 11:11
Wasn't the AKC WDS program supported by the GSDCA. Never understood why they would do that.
by Jim Engel on 07 November 2012 - 13:11
Alfons Ertelt died in a lift truck acciddent at his place of employment. He was a good man.
by Dog1 on 07 November 2012 - 13:11
Rik,
The WDS was written and sponsored by Wayne Davis and proposed initially at a time when the GSDCA sentiment was still dogs shouldn't bite. There was a vote to adopt, it was close, but ultimately shot down at the meeting in NY that year. A few years later it was resurrected and approved for a few working breeds. A few National competitions were held which were maily demonstration events to show people a Schutzhund titled dog is not necessarily the drooling, unstable, man eater most AKC people have come to expect from the concept of the titled dog.
I believe there was a vote and the WDS was dissolved into GSDCA support for the system that was already in place to recognize schutzhund as the WDS and schutzhund requirements were essentially the same.
The WDS was written and sponsored by Wayne Davis and proposed initially at a time when the GSDCA sentiment was still dogs shouldn't bite. There was a vote to adopt, it was close, but ultimately shot down at the meeting in NY that year. A few years later it was resurrected and approved for a few working breeds. A few National competitions were held which were maily demonstration events to show people a Schutzhund titled dog is not necessarily the drooling, unstable, man eater most AKC people have come to expect from the concept of the titled dog.
I believe there was a vote and the WDS was dissolved into GSDCA support for the system that was already in place to recognize schutzhund as the WDS and schutzhund requirements were essentially the same.
by OGBS on 07 November 2012 - 22:11
Lusy Naspo is the first, and, to the best of my knowledge, only WDS GSD National Champion.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=483663
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=483663
by Michael McKown on 16 January 2013 - 23:01
Hi folks,
I'm one of the cofounders of USA, its first business administrator and creator/editor of Schutzhund USA, the club magazine. I was there on that chilly sidewalk outside Ricky's Swiss Chalet on a November night in (I think) 1976 with Gernot Riedel, Luke McFarland, and a few others when we nailed the thing together after the AKC told the GSDCA to dump the Schutzhund people.
I can probably answer many of the questions you have.
I'm one of the cofounders of USA, its first business administrator and creator/editor of Schutzhund USA, the club magazine. I was there on that chilly sidewalk outside Ricky's Swiss Chalet on a November night in (I think) 1976 with Gernot Riedel, Luke McFarland, and a few others when we nailed the thing together after the AKC told the GSDCA to dump the Schutzhund people.
I can probably answer many of the questions you have.
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