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Steve, I said it before, and will again, you are sadly blinkered.  Where you got the impression that dog training/teaching was "cut & dried" is certainly NOT from me!  Far from it, dogs are EXPERT in their behaviour with us.  Sometimes we feel we are doing the training, but find they have turned it around.  There is so much, it is impossible to become blase, dis-interested or bored. 

If you don't want to do a 30 minute Down, because the BH only requires 15 minutes, then fine, no problem with that.  But why not consider challenging yourself and your dog a little further anyway?  (Only a thought, not a criticism).

Dogs are also great Lie Detectors - they know your energy!  Never insult a dog by thinking or denying it's ability to recognise truth and honesty during interaction.

Steve, you know what you know, so may I politely suggest you continue in doing what you know.


(Irrespective of the current exchange between us, people working and engaging with their dogs always wins for me - Therefore, I hope you and your young dog enjoy exciting years of discovery between you).

Never tread water, your dog certainly won't.


Vixen

I am very interested in seeing a 10 week puppy do a long down stay and I would love to see a video of this, but at the same time it does not sound like an exciting video. 

I would also like to add the my newbord zero wee old puppy did an excellent long down stay

O.k. so what's the problem with bringing a knee up when your pup jumps on you???? I do it with mine don't have to say a word they figure it out quick now when one of mine come up to get attention they know they have to sit. If they jump it isn't going to be pleasant, and if they don't sit I will just walk off.  I don't consider that abuse or cruel.  My dogs know when I say something I mean do it and do it now.  They don't get to think about it or take a message and get back to me later.  Once you know what the command is if you do it I will pat you and say thank you, if you don't do it there will be a correction.  Because they are well trained and can be trusted that ensures that they can go more places, and do more things meet more people.  So which is meaner us actually taking control of our dogs so they can have full lives or people that don't give a correction and their dog only listens to them if they have a hot dog, so they don't come when called they can't walk on a leash and they bounce around like a rabbit every time they go somewhere.  The fact is those dogs typically have behavior issues are skittish can not be socialized and are constantly stressed.  My dogs prefer me over everyone else, love to be with me and are excited to be with me.  Wait if the dog felt abused wouldn't it be skittish, nervous, and anxious?? Oh wait that's "hot dog" ppls dogs....hmmm....

Dudering
NO. They do not run and hide when i show up we get along great. and as for being Old and tiresome and you have just gone along with me because you think i am old that is insulting because that is what you are saying regards the talking about my dogs and the input i put on this forum etc,
To get to the point of talking to a dog in a soft mincy tone you will not get a dog to respect you or look to you if it does not respect you and you will not get respect by talking that way you do not have to shout or raise your voice i have not said that, What many of you do not get is the presence of yourself
Let me put it like this
You can walk along with your dog with your head down slouching along Your body then has NO bearing if you know what i mean.
BUT' if you stand up straight walk tall regardless of your height shoulders back head up you feel better yourself your dog notices these two different attitudes of the handler. But you evidently do not agree well they do over here and it is not just me or my idea it is the way the Top Guys work and try and teach new handlers  but of course then what do they know,
i am giving some on here the benefit of there experiences not just mine but it seems they are not wanted or needed so i must stop doing it from now on
Now regards bringing up your knee i said you bring your knee UP' you do not knee the puppy or the dog it is the Dog or Puppy which bumps into your knee not you hitting the Puppy with your knee it is a basic and sure way of teaching a Puppy not to jump on you which is not good for you or the Pup again you did not read it right and here we go again you want to show me how much it hurts, well the way we do it does not hurt the Pup at all just suprise and it learns that i must not jump on people. But for you that is not enough
Well i do not have time to fly to the states we have some big trials this next month or two but i invite you over here at your expense if you wish to prove something to me and bring your knee up into my chest and i will see how it feels as you say, But you will have to reach my chest before you are on your back so it will work both ways this OLD Gentleman as you put it is not yet past it as you will find out if you come over and i will meet you at the Airport in the Lounge we need to go no further than there to do what you have come over for here is one old Guy who does not bother about tasting his own blood i have many times in the past it means nothing to me but you will find it a very hard job to do that i guarantee in fact i will make sure of it
I had not seen your post until this morning so i thought i had to reply that is only right and it is strange how things turn around on these threads,  Donnerstorm agrees so one of you knows a bit about why it is done
Steve1

The difference between you and me and the way we train dogs is you have wasted 60 years of handling and I have learned from it.  Funny, I speak to my dogs in conversational tones and find that they hear fairly well, no need to yell.  My dogs have never failed to out during training or during a trial.  I guess it's because my dogs respect my actions and understand our relationship, you on the other hand seem to still need a lot of help from others to limp through your training.  Lots of yelling and posturing going on, I'm guessing hearing problems or just bad handling.

The only time I will raise my voice to the dog is when the drive level is going up ie bitework.  You may have to turn up the volume on this video to hear Bart's commands.  As the dog loads and drive goes up, you will hear a little more substance to the voice but that's to be expected.  Watch a video of Ivan Balabanov, no yelling, his dog's can hear too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxzTRfVgFJ0 
There is no need to scream and yell to an animal that hears 100x's better than we do.  Let your actions represent leadership and direction.  You can yell at your dog, I'll speak to mine and my obedience will be prettier to watch.

And to all the people who like to use knees to make up for bad training and poor skill, do your knees bend to the side and backwards?  Don't your dogs ever jump on you from the side or from the rear?  I'm thinking that you may need some orthopedic help with your joints, just a thought.

Steve1, gee thanks for the invitation but if it's all at my expense, I kinda don't need your invitation to travel.  I'll let you know when I'm passing through.

Dogs will be Dogs and men will be boys...testosterone is getting deep on this thread...... Wy must boys fight to prove they are the bigger dog?

YogieBear

Yes please do let me know when you are passing through i look forwards to it with great relish
Now it is about time youngster you read the posts correctly because you are repeatedly reading what you want them to read and NOT what is in them so open up your Bloody eyes and read the posts as they are or keep quiet and do not reply because now you are becoming tiresome with your stupid answers
NO where have i said i raise my voice or shout at a Dog, you are making it up you probably live in Cuckoo land .
I said you speak in a commanding voice that does not mean shouting and raising your voice it is the same volume as normal but in a commanding way to make the Pup look at you and think and if you do not know how to do that then you do not know the basices of Dog Training and i think you do not because you cannot understand.
That also applies to the way you hold yourself you do not see top Competitors slouching along with there heads hung down, They stand up Straight shoulders back head up in a commanding way they know who they are and there body language is saying that to there dog, they are alert they have a presence about them and this refects on how the Dog acts,
These are the first things drummed into a beginner with dogs over here and another one is Loose Leash those three things can put a new dog handler on his or her way or if they fail to go along then they struggle
Now i have repeated myself several times but i think you are being funny, But you would prefer i expect to keep a 10 WEEK OLD Puppy in a Down for 30 minutes that more your mark and think you have done a wondeful thing and be proud of yourself
Some Years ago a top trainer from here was on this Forum, He gave a lot of advice but he was shouted down by people such as yourself so he gave it up as a bad job, Now i am not in his class but i say what goes on over here and it comes from the best there is in Belgium i say it as it is done over here and for a country who you can get into a corner of one of your states they have done exceptionally well with dogs, I do not give a shit if anyone takes notice and the Guy was correct when he told me that the Dog people in the USA think they are the best dog trainers in the world they think they have the best and they think they know it all and no one will ever change them, He said even when he goes over to do a seminar or train people they at times start to tell him. So he said there is nothing he can say to change some of the people in the USA However i did not believe him but i sure do now with some on here thank goodness not all are like you and some of the other know alls on here, I guess that is why not many from this side of the water ever come on this forum.
Steve1

Most Dog training is done by the tone of your commands talk to a dog in a mincy soft voice you will lose out the dog will run you 

 Those were your words.  As far as the my country's better than you country argument, I won't even get into that.  I do know that my country kicked your country out 235 years ago and it was the best thing we ever did.

BTW, I took a dog that I raised from 8 weeks old to a World Championship, how about you?  My next goal is to do it with a dog that I bred, raised and trained.  By breeding I mean I own both of the parents and the dog was born here in my whelping room and from day 1, the dog has not been out of my hands.  How about you?

Funny, I can communicate with my dog and never say a word.  Language means nothing to a dog, it's all about comfort or discomfort, reward or correction, reward or withholding reward.  You can be as loud or commanding as you want but if you are inconsistent and unclear in your communication, you sir, will fail.

You are still on about being LOUD where do you read this i told you to read the posts correctly if you have a problem, read more slowly so your brain can take it in You are like you said to me a pillock, and remember 140 plus dogs get to a world championship where did you finish and as you are so glib what year, in what sport and what is your real name so i can check it up so put it on here. Regarding you kicking the Butt of the British why are you bringing up Wars for on this thread for what reason, well you started something so we will carry on with it what the hell do you think the USA is a lot of British and Irish descent of long past, The ONLY thing you got going for you is that your are a bigger nation in circumference, area. and you have an even bigger mouth, And also remember after some persuasion you joined us a year late in WW11 but not before the Japanese kicked your butt in Pearl Harbor, Since that time the UK has held the bloody hand of the USA in all there Fighting of different countries except Vietnam in which you got your Asses kicked good and proper, and now to the present day.
What now, the USA have spent more than they earn, a lot going on fighting other nations nothing to do with them and there Stupid Allies the British join in with them what for, The USA does not need help in anything they know it all done it all now nearly Bankrupt, and what have you done in all this fighting i may ask Sonny, have you done your duty for your country have you fought and killed others defending there birthright, You start something and we will finish it for you have picked on the right Bastard to do it with for i have been through it and taken lives of others doing the same job and i have seen more than a lot have of the misery it has caused, not at all good or nothing to be proud of,
You bring up Wars on a dog thread for what reason to try and cause problems well you are going the right way about it  so now what have you done to help your country or defend it except brag, MY last to you, You are not worth talking to as the trainer said you are one who knows it all and you live in your own little cocoon of (I am the Man) pure arrogance
Steve1
MY' sincere apologies to you Guys in the USA on this outburst of mine to one of your so called countrymen he is the sort that give a great Nation a bad name and the ordinary people like yourselves get tarred with the same brush which is unfair, i do not look at the people in your country that way just stating facts which have happened through time  The USA and the UK are supposed to be working together except that Prats like Dudering give it all a bad name just to try and get the upper hand, Well if he has to stoop to that level then YES' he can have the Upper hand it will fit his EGO I am through with this thread