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by Ace952 on 21 December 2010 - 03:12

Jim...I certainly agree that "under control" is the key phrase. You can have a PPD that is super civil and hard and is naturally suspicious but being able to handle him and keep him/her under control is key.

Felloffher....Indifferent is probably a better term.

Frank...Certainly understand the point you made and I agree dog does need to be able to be ok in different surroundings.

Pirates....That was a good scenario video that you did and hope you guys are able to do more like that. I look forward to seeing the new video when you get it done.

by Pirates Lair on 21 December 2010 - 03:12

Thanks Ace

by Don Corleone on 21 December 2010 - 03:12

Hans, thanks for inviting me to the party! Reading through the thread, I was wondering if anyone as going to say control, and sure enough, Jimmy-boy hit the nail on the head. Control is one of the most important components in a PP dog, or K9 for that matter. Most PP trainers do scenario after scenario with the beligerant bad guy screaming and flaping his arms and unless the handler gives a command or the guy goes to touch the handler, he is off limits. You do call offs, which in sport, never happens unless the dog skips a blind. Where you being a wise guy, Hans? Do you really want to know how I would start a PP dog? I started in dogs doing PP. I knew nothing of sport for a few years until the guy I trained under started making fun of it. I would pretty much start a PP dog the same as any sport dog. Prey first, build confidence, add in some pressure, scenarios, environmental elements and control. Build confidence, confidence and more confidence and add control. Inside, outside, at home, car, walking, hell, in a boat!

by Don Corleone on 21 December 2010 - 04:12

Hans, who is this "dan" you are addressing? Was that a typo meant to say Don?

by Pirates Lair on 21 December 2010 - 04:12

I knew it was you Fredo, you broke my heart!

by Don Corleone on 21 December 2010 - 04:12

Hahaha! I got passed over, Mike. I'm smart, not dumb, like people say. I'm your older brother, and I got passed over!

by GSDfan on 22 December 2010 - 02:12

Well said slamdunc and Pirates lair...and others.

I don't think the video is worthy of the title at all...but I see nothing wrong with the excersise, especially if it's early in the training. And if that was "early in training"...I'd want to see a video of the dog finished or a video worthy of the thread title (civil training, scenario training etc). That video doesn't do anything to prove that dog is any different from a SchH dog IMO.

Please explain why you send your PP dog on a fleeing person? Didn't he already do his job?
No offense Don, but this is the second time I've seen a comment like this on a PPD video....showing a dog prey excersises in training...even a PPD...is a must IMO, maybe I'm missing something but I really don't see what the point of making this comment is...it's training.

Just because you do it in training does not mean that it will be used or done that way in a real situation (PSD's do bitework with the decoy firing a gun in training....but in a real situation I don't know a cop who would send their dog on a known armed subject sending him to certain death)

As the PPD dog advances in training that escape excersise could be mixed in with a call off, or the dog can be taught if the perp gets a certain distance he's to automatically return to his handler (like the ring sport object guard).

But in training, especially the early stages....prey excersises build confidence and empower the dog...I see nothing wrong with an escape bite exersise for a PPD.

JMO

by Don Corleone on 22 December 2010 - 04:12

Mel, point well taken, but when I see the title and then the video, I get confused. Thought this was someone showcasing their PPD. There are other ways to work prey other than escapes, but I do understand that training involves much more than seen in the final picture. I just saw that this is a stud dog doing PP. Most videos that are of training, the poster will preface the video with a statement that it is training.

by GSDfan on 22 December 2010 - 04:12

Agreed...the video should not have been posted on a public forum with that title...I think we all expected more.

I don't want to make any digs to his knowledge just based on this, but if he thinks that's a good showcase of a PPD he's got alot to learn. Nothing wrong with the excersise in the course of the training...but certainly not (or not the only thing) what i'd post to show off my dog as a PPD.

by Don Corleone on 22 December 2010 - 04:12

To further explain why I respond that way, is because you should not send your source of protection away from you when the dog has already done the job. Your a LEO. Do you throw your gun at fleeing suspects? K9 and PPD are two different animals. Explain in a court how your trained protection dog was protecting when the dog chased down a fleeing suspect and bit him. It's the same as shooting someone in the back. anytime the only piece of video for a PPd is an escape, I'm going to respond in the same.

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