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by Penny on 07 February 2010 - 16:02
I have received this morning this email from two concerned long term bagsd members.....
Hi Mo another vote scenario for you – ....?..... and ...?.....are both members have been for years but also have not attended a branch for years. Is our Branch Sec. which ever and who ever that is going to contact us for our vote? Will it be counted if we send it direct to Doreen Little or has it got to come from a Branch Sec.? You can see our problem! Also how long have we got to make this informed decision? Ever hopeful
This is a very valid point and they cant be the only people in this position. BAGSD are making an awful hash of this by doing it through branch secretaries. I was rubbing shoulders yesterday with another BAGSD secretary who still to that moment had NOT received her letter asking her to collate votes. SHE HAS A LOT OF WELL QUALIFIED BREED CLUB MEMBERS IN HER BRANCH -
Let me say one thing now loud and clear, to everyone and to BAGSD EC Committee. It will not be allowed to go under-cover, it will not be allowed to be a vote in favour of what the majority of the EC want without clarity and up front management - even if we have to take strong measures to make sure that the vote is collected fairly and squarely from everyone that is paying good money up front to be a member. I am as convinced as ever now that things will not be up front and on the table for all to see so I may as well go on and write to all of the EC members to that effect, Mo
Hi Mo another vote scenario for you – ....?..... and ...?.....are both members have been for years but also have not attended a branch for years. Is our Branch Sec. which ever and who ever that is going to contact us for our vote? Will it be counted if we send it direct to Doreen Little or has it got to come from a Branch Sec.? You can see our problem! Also how long have we got to make this informed decision? Ever hopeful
This is a very valid point and they cant be the only people in this position. BAGSD are making an awful hash of this by doing it through branch secretaries. I was rubbing shoulders yesterday with another BAGSD secretary who still to that moment had NOT received her letter asking her to collate votes. SHE HAS A LOT OF WELL QUALIFIED BREED CLUB MEMBERS IN HER BRANCH -
Let me say one thing now loud and clear, to everyone and to BAGSD EC Committee. It will not be allowed to go under-cover, it will not be allowed to be a vote in favour of what the majority of the EC want without clarity and up front management - even if we have to take strong measures to make sure that the vote is collected fairly and squarely from everyone that is paying good money up front to be a member. I am as convinced as ever now that things will not be up front and on the table for all to see so I may as well go on and write to all of the EC members to that effect, Mo
by Skippy on 08 February 2010 - 13:02
BUMP
by Penny on 08 February 2010 - 15:02
Does anyone know of - or could you ask your friends to let me know whether in the last 14 months a bagsd branch has ceased -
I ask this as there is an increasing number of people belonging to BAGSD it seems, that dont belong to a branch !!! What will happen to them in this vital and important voting system !!
There are people that dont know whether they belong to a branch, they have joined BAGSD themselves direct.
I assume that Doreen would then assign them to a branch in their area on the books, but of course, if they dont attend that branch, or know they are assigned.....where do they get their information from re this situation to vote one way or the other.
I am increasingly concerned too about the number of people that are contacting me, and not wanting to sound "militant" - their words not mine. One man at 1pm today says has been told BY AN EC MEMBER that he can be thrown off and have his membership refunded if he is seen to be questioning the validity of the voting system !!! Bloody hell !!! how deep does this nonsense go ! my advice to him was question the validity if he feel he needs to and just see what can be done about members questioning the EC committee in a fair and honest way !!! Mo.
I ask this as there is an increasing number of people belonging to BAGSD it seems, that dont belong to a branch !!! What will happen to them in this vital and important voting system !!
There are people that dont know whether they belong to a branch, they have joined BAGSD themselves direct.
I assume that Doreen would then assign them to a branch in their area on the books, but of course, if they dont attend that branch, or know they are assigned.....where do they get their information from re this situation to vote one way or the other.
I am increasingly concerned too about the number of people that are contacting me, and not wanting to sound "militant" - their words not mine. One man at 1pm today says has been told BY AN EC MEMBER that he can be thrown off and have his membership refunded if he is seen to be questioning the validity of the voting system !!! Bloody hell !!! how deep does this nonsense go ! my advice to him was question the validity if he feel he needs to and just see what can be done about members questioning the EC committee in a fair and honest way !!! Mo.
by Jeevs on 08 February 2010 - 16:02
Instead of all this scaremongering and smoke and mirrors trying to cloud the real issue, why doesn't someone actually ask the BAGSD secretary what is happening? I am not a branch member but the secretary has confirmed that EVERYONE who is not a member of a branch will receive a letter asking for their vote.
If you want to know what the real issue is, I suggest you read the latest KC press release.
As for non GSD owning BAGSD members not being entitled to a vote, thats hardly democratic is it? Quite happy to take their money and expect them to enter shows to put money into the club though. Maybe some of you should take a step back and ask yourself if maybe some of these people can see what you obviously can't - the issue of unsound dogs and unruly handlers.
Sign or don't sign, all that is at stake is your club's CC's for 2012, the rest is just so much bluster.
by jaymesie51 on 08 February 2010 - 17:02
Jeevs what planet you from this is a GSD matter not a collie or dobe or rottie matter; why do you think that these people should get a vote on something that does not concern them it wont make one iota of a difference to these people what way the vote goes but it sure as hell will to all GSD enthusiasts (they pay their money to be a member of the club and vote on club issues, not to vote on GSD matters this vote concerns only the GSD breed) i can assure you if the shoe was on the other foot we would not get a vote on the future of their breeds and that is how it should be.
jim h
jim h
by Jeevs on 08 February 2010 - 17:02
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/2926/23/5/3
by missbeeb on 08 February 2010 - 21:02
Jeevs, I have no wish to be rude... but how gullible are you? Does the KC mention anything about the other crapola in their demanding letter? No... mmmm... could that be because they don't wish to appear like a petty bullying dictatorship? YES!
The "vocal minority" they mention, is so much stronger than they dare to admit; do they really think that the backing isn't there... even now? I suspect they know only too well that the backing is very much "there" and once again, some dullard at the KC is very, very sorry for opening this particular can of lovely worms!
Why would the owners of other breeds want to have a say in the future of our breed, Jeevs? I wouldn't expect to have a say in the BREED if I were a member of a Poodle Club... your argument is poor indeed, I can only conclude that your preference is for the UK type of Shepherd and that it's YOUR tickets that you're concerned about. The KC can keep their tickets for me!
by Penny on 08 February 2010 - 21:02
Hi Jeevs
You state in your post
" I am not a branch member but the secretary has confirmed that EVERYONE who is not a member of a branch will receive a letter asking for their vote."
Where did you see that written? I have copied the exerpt from the BAGSD website on the matter and it reads
The E.C. will instigate a yes or no vote from members through their branch secretary. All members names will be recorded with their vote and this will be collated by the General Secretary and counted by an independent person.
The collated decision from our branches will determine whether we endorse the Kennel Club undertaking or not. We would therefore strongly ask all our members to give feedback to the E.C. via your branch secretary.
So great news if you are right - but I have certainly missed it in print - where can I direct people to for them to know that is correct? Mo.
by jaymesie51 on 08 February 2010 - 21:02
Jeevs if you honestly believe all that is at stake here is just CC's then i sugest you read the KC undertaking letter again it is not just CC's but our liberty and our freedom of choice that they want to take away, the crap they spout about unsoundness in the breed is just a smokescreen yes we do have some unsoundness but it will be dealt with by proper judging it is not something that is wide spread in our breed and is not a health issue, in their letter it is more about double handling than anything else you see the KC hate to think that the people who give them their money might be enjoying themselfs. no no no that is not allowed under KC rule 1989098765 sub section 4 clause 675 paragraph 92 absolutely no enjoyment of any kind by these horible GSD people (bloody pains) at any KC run event will be tolerated OK might be taking it to the extreme here but am i it just might come to that if we agree to this undertaking
jim h
jim h
by Penny on 08 February 2010 - 22:02
anything can follow Jim, if the agreement is signed, but to be sure one thing that will follow is that the pro-active amongst us will then have more freedom than ever - freedom to run our own shows, and pop in and join the KC shows too if we wish ! What joy - good, enjoyable shows leading to the betterment of the breed through mandatory health tests to enter the show, and leading up to a UK Seiger (cos we wont have a British one if we dont sign) then when we have nothing better to do, hop over to a KC show and if they have a judge to our liking, we will then go enter their shows too.
The KC have already added a bit to their letter in seperate form by extending the British Seiger Grace and Favour agreement to only clubs that sign their bit of paper. That wasnt on the letter, but they suddenly thought about it, how many other sudden thoughts are planned once signed up. The option is dont sign and have fun and progress. and still go get CC`s that are on offer, or you can sign it and get wound up in more and more stringent rules just for a CC which gives your dog no creedence other than being beautiful to the eye. Mo.
The KC have already added a bit to their letter in seperate form by extending the British Seiger Grace and Favour agreement to only clubs that sign their bit of paper. That wasnt on the letter, but they suddenly thought about it, how many other sudden thoughts are planned once signed up. The option is dont sign and have fun and progress. and still go get CC`s that are on offer, or you can sign it and get wound up in more and more stringent rules just for a CC which gives your dog no creedence other than being beautiful to the eye. Mo.
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