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by Jeevs on 19 December 2009 - 17:12

As you know nothing about me how can you make such sweeping statements?  I have actually judged abroad under FCI rules.  However, even though we are indeed European, the Kennel Club under whose rules we all register dogs, enter shows and judge is in fact within Gt Britain.  I will sit back and await with interest the outcome of 'calling their bluff' and hope I don't have the opportunity to say I told you so.  But then what do my opinions count for as far as you are concerned, I am one of those 'middle of the road' types who are not entited to an opinion in your narrow minded world. 

by Penny on 19 December 2009 - 17:12

Hi Jeevs, you are entitled to your opinion, but like David, I thought you didnt understand any of the SV WUSV FCI and VDH issues the way you wrote earlier - now that you have judged under FCI rules, you certainly should know the situation.
The best thing that can come out of this thread is that
ALL SECRETARIES OF CLUBS RECEIVING A COMMUNICATION FROM THE KC REGARDING THEM COMING IN TO HEEL ABOUT THE CC`s FOR 2012 MUST PASS IT ON TO THE GSDP WITH THE THOUGHTS OF THEIR MEMBERS.
As others rightly say - the KC then can see that we are united, and they will continue to work with a group that are at the moment proving difficult for them as the group are acting professionally and responsibly, and the KC dont know which way to go on that score.

Mo - Mascani.

by Mackenzie on 19 December 2009 - 18:12

Good post Mo.

If the Clubs reply independently it will leave the KC with the opportunity to sieve through the responses and deal only with anything favourable to them.  The KC must be denied that opportunity.

Please support the GSDP for the future of the breed.  We are the guardians and not the Kennel Club.

Mackenzie

jaymesie51

by jaymesie51 on 19 December 2009 - 18:12

Surely the way to go about this would be at a breed council meeting if the clubs vote in favour of sending all correspondence from the KC to the GSDP then that is the way to go then there will be unity within the ranks and maybe the KC will see that as a breed we are willing to fight them all the way united as one voice
jim h

Videx

by Videx on 19 December 2009 - 20:12

I fully agree with the GSD Breed Clubs only responding through the GSDP, however this must be an AGREED POLICY. Agreed through the GSD Breed Council.

I would suggest arrangements are made urgently to formally agree this policy, as soon as possible.

Jeevs: Thank you for confirming your very limited knowledge and experience. I trust you understand Judging under FCI rules is indeed very limited experience and knowledge of the GSD International Organisations Constitutions,Rules, Regulations, and any flexibility therein.


by Penny on 19 December 2009 - 21:12

Will talk to Sheila via email this evening, to ask herif she will email or post to all clubs, because the next meeting is March I believe - and it needs to be sorted lng before that.    I dont see a Special Gen Meeting being quorate at this time of year however passionate we feel..... 

  Mo Mascani.

by paulie on 19 December 2009 - 22:12

I have sat and read these posts with an ever sinking heart, when is it going to dawn on people that the KC are playing us like a fiddle? prevarication, lethargy and sheer arrogance on our part has left them in a situation of strength, a similie being rather like  a Chess Grand master playing a school boy, the boy might be thinking three moves ahead, but the master is thinking ten, safe in the knowledge that it wont even get that far, because the school boy has no real game plan, and has to change tack every time the master moves, and eventually becomes so frustrated, he knocks over his King.

 Mo is right, we need to move quickly, but what then? who is going to lead us to next phase?  at the risk of repeating myself, if we had a thousand people showing ( i wish!!! ) we would still be in the minority as far as KC registrations are concerned, and the KC know that, so..............  it's an easy , simple, straight forward question, do we go?   or do we stay? in my own case the answer is easy, probably made simpler because i only breed every couple of years, so the KC need me less than i need them, so i personally can live with the split, my loft contains several box's of trophy's accumulated over the years, i remember the good days when showing was a pleasure by simply looking at my three females  who represent Twenty five years of my own Bitch line, the same emotions might not be felt by others, again i cant legistlate for that.  What i am trying to say, is that for anyone who wants to show, there is only the KC route , CCs ,RCCs JWs Crufts etc.  chasing up and down the country showing under Judges who's opinions you have no respect for, but knowing you might get  a CC because the entry is crap,   or we can try to embrace what a few people on this board are advocating, do our own thing which will encompass the whole sphere of our Breeds versatility, not just taking our dogs to a show simply to perform like automatons, but give them the life that Stephanitz envisaged for them. Once again my friends the decision is yours.

   Regards.
  Paul Rattigan.
  
 


Videx

by Videx on 20 December 2009 - 00:12

We can move forward together, there is no need for GSD Clubs to respond individually. Maybe a minority will, and they may regret that. The way forward is outlined in the article "RISING TO THE CHALLENGE" - The Kennel Club will NOT refuse our registrations, the KC will NOT want to put a 'crack' in their "Pedigree Dog EGG" - that could or would be the beginning of their end. The SV-WUSV will fully support our WUSV Regional Events and our British Sieger Events, and if push came to shove, which I hope we can avoid, I feel reasonably sure they would facilitate our registrations. We must not forget, it is the Kennel Club that have forced this confrontation with the GSD fraternity, the SV-WUSV are fully aware of its development. Be under NO illusion about the options we have available to us. The facts and arguments in in this issue with the Kennel Club are overwhelmingly in our favour, from any reasonable perspective.

by redriding on 20 December 2009 - 00:12

Paul;

Right on the button; what you advocate is the only wothwhile game left in town. I think most with experience and the good of the breed at heart know this. It is simply a question of whether there is the will, courage and leadership out there  to act.

Red 

by noddi on 20 December 2009 - 09:12

Hi Jeevs.sorry but i too agree that we all need to stick together on this matter.all those clbs that promote the correct type of GSDS and that includes the middle of the road ones,as most animals whose owners describe them as such,are correct,MUST SEND THESE LETTERS TO THE PARTNERSHIP.THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.Jeevs ,do y really think that the kc want to lose the revenue from our puppy reg.,show entries,club subs etc.DONT THINK SO.think long term,if we split and its sucessful in our eyes not theirs,what is there to stop other breeds from going down the same pathway.we aren,t the only breed that is disatisfied with the KC arrogant attitude.they are waving tickets before us,like waving carrots in front of a donkey to get it to move.i have a bitch on 2 cc and now i too think its time to go it alone if this is how they treat us.if it came to a ballot now MY ANSWER WOULD BE YES ,SPLIT AWAY.MY WAY OF THINKING AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN FROM WHEN I FIRST STARTED SHOWING.I HAVE A G.S,D. AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE PLACED AND TOLD I HAD A GOOD SPECIMEN BY A JUDGE FROM THE HOMELAND.I HAVE ACHEIVED THIS WITH MY CURRENT BITCH,SO IM MORE THAN SATISIFIED.we all like to win and as im getting old and decrepid now i weould luv to make my bitch up,but thats not as important as the future of the breed here in the uk.THE KENNEL CLUB WILL BE THE LOSERS IN THE LONG RUN COS BELIEVE ME WE WILL NOT BE THE ONLY BREED TO DO THIS,MAYBE THE 1ST BUT NOT THE LAST.KC BE WARNED IS WOT I SAY.Carole Spelman,RHEINMEISTER GSDSPS DAVID IM WITH YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS.





 


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