"Pedigree Dogs Exposed" - Page 4

Jaymesie51 - you did state that you do not go to many shows and I also stated that I didn't go to that many shows now.....so come on! what is the chance of us ever going to the same show. The odds are definately against it.
As far as your silly statement of assuming it is the 'other sides' (your words and I presume that you mean the Alsatians) shows which I go to then.................. hurmph!!!!

There IS a problem with cow hocks and to say there isn't is really being closed minded and damaging. I would however agree with comments above in which was stated that although cow hocks make a dogs movement, therefore its structure unsound it is not a disorder it is purely down to looseness. I would also tend to agree that the way that the dogs are trained, when being over exerted they have a tendancy to over stretch and put more pressure on that area of the body. I would go as far as to say that some breeders start training their dogs to pull far too early.
What is it that puppy owners are told? NOT to over excerice their pups until at least 18 months, 'til the joints, tendons, muscles and bones have all formed. So what does the show breeders do? Over excercise, put extra pressure on the already delicate hind quarters. No wonder the movement is shit in the ring.

Your part about breed surveys not being the best in the world - well it does go a long way than doing absolutely nothing but then you contradict by carrying on within the same sentence about health screening.
Dogs have to be health screened before surveyed but dogs which are health screen do NOT have to be surveyed.
It does not matter if a dog is surveyed to the general public as they have not got a clue what that is and frankly I believe it confuses them all the more. As long as all the relevent health checks have been done and the dogs have passed with flying colours (not just had them done but attained TOP or CLEAR marks) This is what the puppy buyers need to know and they understand this. They do not want to get involved in politics they just want a puppy. This is probably why a lot of them end up buying from 'breeders' (I use the term loosely) who do not baffle them with science. I know this is wrong but it is fact.

I am all for health testing in all shapes and forms, I would like to see it become mandatory but this the KC will never do, I would like to see only the dogs who passed their health tests with top marks being bred from, I would like licensing to return and only breeders who have got one breed, I would like to see unsound dogs OUT of the ring, I would like for Judges to grow a set and actually with hold prizes from unsound dogs. Some I know are pipe dreams but as I am old now I get to dream a little and pray that maybe the tooth fairy will, before I am laid in my wooden jacket, make some come true = for the sake of Dogdom as a whole.

FRANK

Hi trotters i have not said we dont have unsound dogs i have said they are in the minority and certainly no where near 50%  and as for breed surveys like i said maybe not the best in the world but a lot better than no survey at all like you said dogs that are health tested do not have to be surveyed  that is up to the owner just as health testing is up to the owner like you i would like to see this changed and become mandatory not just for our breed but for all pedigree dogs  Can you tell me what you mean by top marks in health tests for me a score that is better than the breed average is what we should try to achieve and a 0:0 or total of 1 for elbows and clear for heam
jim h

Beetree, thanks for that... and Hello! 

Peterlee, not sure why you feel the need to header, "MORONS", but it says a lot about you. 
 
I really thought we'd left that, "if it's German, it's definitely great" attitude behind in the 90s...  most of us know that it's not always the case; though their system has the potential to be perfect and it  is definitely better than ours. 

You say:

Good breeders have to PROVE that their litters are fit for purpose. German breeders can do that because they have the pink paper system. If breeders in the UK do not then they only have themselves to blame. Jemima Harrison has drawn this to the attention of the public in a way that no-one had done previously. She is to be applauded for that. How ‘good breeders’ in the UK respond to that is a matter for them.

Jeeze... where have you been for the last 25 years?  I'd never heard of "midnight trials" till I visited this board, though I was often amazed at the obvious lack of basic Ob in some dogs that apparently had various qualifications, gained in Germany; many Sch qualifications are really worth nothing, but it's on the paperwork, right? 

The public really don't recognise the KC pedigree thing at all.  So... you applaud her, you'll get a good echo.