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by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 16:07
by Abby Normal on 29 July 2011 - 21:07
I am sure that a good proportion of the dogs are used to off lead gaiting already. For those that aren't, then take up the offer of training in off lead gaiting and get your dogs used to it.
Doppeganger said: I also think it is very sad that a dog with the intelligence of a GSD cannot be trained to work off lead
Well of course we all know the GSD can be trained to work off lead, very easily - it just requires owner/handler time and effort to be put into training - and practise. It is a Sieger Show, I think it is realistic to expect that the dogs entered into it to be able to perform to the highest standard. The British Sieger committee have clearly decided it is time to raise the bar. What surprises me is the number of people whose initial reaction is that that they must 'opt' out because of OLG, rather than take up the challenge and start training their dogs instead.
by Videx on 29 July 2011 - 22:07
by Sue Worley on 29 July 2011 - 22:07
by Abby Normal on 29 July 2011 - 22:07
Sue's reply makes sense. In the UK we ARE doing things differently to Germany, and classes have been introduced so that people who do not/cannot work their dogs can have inclusion.
Surely it is not beyond the capability of a (non working) showline dog to be trained to gait off lead? You seem to suggest that it is.
by Doppelganger on 29 July 2011 - 23:07
by Videx on 30 July 2011 - 00:07
by missbeeb on 30 July 2011 - 07:07
Re: the introduction of off lead gaiting... for me, it's not the introduction that's the problem but the time scale! It should have been made very public, (12 month ago) thereby allowing one and all to train for it. Teaching your dog to heel at any pace is no massive undertaking or challenge, however, since few of us handle our own dogs, one must hope to live near their handler... or at least A handler to practise with. Off lead with someone else... my dog's coming back to me, no doubt!
There are many of us living many, many miles from our handlers... this is not Germany, we don't have Club houses conveniently dotted around with willing trainers and helpers, indeed we have very few. If we're going to go the "whole hog", we have to have a much better infrastructure, unless it's to be just for a very few?
Aside from the geographical issues, as I understand it, the introduction of Adult Classes was to be inclusive... everyone would have a reason to enter, to be there. The introduction of off lead gaiting, without any market research (asking those that spend their time and money entering these shows) and so near to the show itself is wrong imo and it makes it exclusive. If "they" want to up the ante... maybe include a proper working test for the Breed Survey?
I shall be at the Sieger either way... if the off lead gaiting is retained, I just won't be entering but I'll still enjoy watching.
by Abby Normal on 30 July 2011 - 07:07
I can see the issues with the location of handlers etc. and the timescale. Even more I can see the issue of dogs hotfooting it back to their owners LOL, I empathise with that one, I REALLY do.
In respect of the training, that doesn't have to be done with the handler initially. Train the activity and concept at home and practice it with him yourself so that he understands the activity, and then practice with the handler as often as you can. On the day you'll just have to hide :) The amount of notice given does seem a bit tight, although not impossible if the owner trains the dog themselves.
My understanding from what was said about a working test is that it would be too much too soon (if ever) for the GSD events in the UK.
Perhaps it should have been deferred until 2012 to give everyone the opportunity to train thoroughly for it, but I don't think it is wrong to raise the bar. Perhaps this will encourage local clubs to offer a wider range of activiities in the longer term.
by missbeeb on 30 July 2011 - 07:07
Abnor... having worked Shepherds up to "B" in Ob... I am well aware of how
.What's your interest here? Really????
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