Schraderhaus K9? - Page 3

 Slamdunc said it ALL!!   Particularly:  "If you are looking for a working line dog for sport or work; search for dogs that have been bred by the breeder and see if they have accomplished anything. Be very wary of breeders that claim they have great working dogs but never really work their own dogs. Be very wary of breeders that claim their dogs are the best working dogs in the world and sell 99% of their dogs to pet homes. If their dogs were that great, the working dog people would be standing in line waiting to get a dog from them. Check out the OFA website and see how many dogs from a breeder actually ahve their hips and elbows done and rated."

If you are looking for a dog for sport or work, PLEASE, check with the local clubs to see whether dogs from that breeder are being worked at the various clubs.  If not, that should be a LOUD message to you!      If locals are NOT purchasing from that breeder, you can rest assured that there is a reason, or  several reasons.  In any event, it is a signal to you to move on in your search and research.

Islandgal99, welcome to the board. I, too, have found that there can be a lot of animosity and politics on this particular board and try not to get involved in it. But there is also a lot of good information if you pick through it.

bzarcov: I agree with Slamdunc (and the others) who say you need to visit the place, find out who is working the dogs and take all those reviews/complaints/compliments with a grain of salt.

Good luck in your search for a new dog. If nothing else, this thread has sparked my interest in finding out about Schraderhaus, which happens to be not far from me.l.
 

Islandgal99, welcome to the board ??

You have the wrong thread, it's next door

LOL



Kim

I have had my hands on two females from Jean, One was a very nice black and tan, medium prey drive but that bitch had a nose like a vacuum cleaner. Excellent work ethics in searches, within a year she was capable of doing FH2 tracks.  I put a BH and TR1 on her, due to time, I was not able to travel to get her FH titles. Jean wanted me to try but crap.. I live in sticks and pretty much had no time to travel.

The other one, was one of the nicest females I have worked in a Loooooong time. I loved that dog, she had phenomenal temperament, and worked like a male. Was she perfect? nope but pretty darn close. I was able to put BH on her and then, things happen and I was not able to finish her (my school will kill me one day, I swear)..

So I know Jean, I have dealt with her, argued with her, brainstormed and even disagreed... and we are still pretty good friends. So her integrity as a breeder is up there as far as I am concerned. I know she is now doing lots of nose work with her dogs, she loves it too. She might not be a supertrainer but she sure tries to get her hands on her dogs when it comes to work.

So do I know if the puppy will be a superdog? No.. but she will try to match you as best as she can..

Good luck and happy puppy hunting.
 

Training a dog in a discipline takes a lot of time. If you want to handle a dog, you will need to find good mentors or professional trainers. Buying a quality dog means you search out a good breeder.  So you see, handling, training, breeding- these are all components of a successful team.  Beware of someone who says they can do it all.

Did I mention that training a dog takes a lot of committed time?!  Omg.

The intention of the prospective buyer in this thread never mentioned IPO specifically but let's assume that is the intention.  Yes go to a club or better go to a few.  Look at the dogs being worked. You may find that the dogs are coming from the same few strains, locally- or not.  Better yet, look at the successful ones in your region and find how many of those handlers started their champs from scratch or if they purchased them from Europe already with a title.  That nugget will bespeak a lot.  There is no McDonalds of IPO dogs.

But this is off topic. The question was simply what of Schraderhaus?  Several customers have happily responded and shared with you.  Know what you are looking for in a gsd, communicate it with a prospective breeder, and make your choice.  It is up to you. 

Good luck and may you find happiness with your new German shepherd!

My wife and I have two males from Jean Schrader... Our oldest is 2 and is out of Helga z Eurosportu x Lobo von Schraderhaus.  He's a super male that we're training in schutzhund.  Great nose for tracking, his obedience is excellent and his protection is very real.  He's a great social dog that is very high drive and wants to work.  He's a dark black sable, about 85 pounds.  No problems with health at all. He's also a great family dog.  He's very protective of his family.  He's a great hiking dog (we live in Colorado) and is fearless on new terrain and any situations we put him in.

Our newest male (bicolor) is a 10 week old puppy out of Lord von den Grauen von Monstab x Bara z Ronbaru.  So far (I know it's early), but he's got a super temperament, is not the slightest bit afraid of anything.  He is going to be a very high drive, hard nerved male... about 90 pounds when fully matured.  He's got a great drive for the ball already and has a very firm grip for being so young.  He's also going to be doing schutzhund and we hope to compete with him at a high level.  

Jean is extremely helpful with her potential buyers.  After breeding great working lines for quite a long time, she is very knowledgeable of her dogs and will not put them in the wrong homes...she won't put a extremely high drive dog in a pet home and won't put a low drive dog with a working home.  She has been great to work with over the past few years and I would absolutely recommend Jean to anyone looking for a great working dog.  She takes great pride and time to pair up the proper males/females for the betterment of the working GSD.  She also takes great pride in matching up her puppies to the right home.  She's always available to answer any questions about her dogs or their offspring. 

On a side note, we also have several friends in Chicago that either have a dog from Jean's breedings, have bred their female to one of her males (several times) or have her dogs to title in schutzhund.  One of these females got a 98 in her TR1.  One of the male offspring from a breeding of our friends female to her prized Norbo von Schraderhaus has achieved multiple SCH titles and high in trial in his SCH1.  I haven't come across a dog from her yet that isn't suitable for working homes.  I would highly recommend Jean.

You should also check the Schraderhaus guarantee and pup replacement policy. As a matter of principle, I personally would never buy a pup from any breeder who puts restrictions and conditions on obtaining FULL registration. I pay for the pup, and expect FULL registration rights. Obviously, this can be a contentious topic.

http://www.schraderhausk9.com/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Sales%20Contract_%20guarantee_page1-3.pdf
 

While I recognize the thinking behind the theory of only purchasing on FULL Registration, the truth of the matter is that so many buyers make so many promises and for one reason or another, don't follow through.  There is a lot of expectation on breeders to fulfill their promises but there is just no accountability on the part of the buyer.  If the AKC took a stronger stance and required health testing/ age minimums/ titles etc on parent dogs as a condition of registering a litter, then it would a lot easier to let my pups go on full reg.

There are many breeders who do not want to see their pups having puppies at 16 months old, bred without health screening etc. and therefore, they sell on limited.  I am one of these.  I will gladly lift the registration when a buyer has held up their end of the bargain and completed these minimums.  Do I lose customers - Probably. 

I also understand when I buy a puppy and the breeder expects me to meet their breeding criteria before they will lift the registration. 

Limited reg can be lifted but full reg can NEVER be changed. 

With that being said.... a breeder has a lot more to lose when they do not live up to their end of the bargain.  Their name gets plastered on public forums for eternity (even if its not the whole story)    

Is it really that big of a deal that a breeder wants their puppies health tested, titled in some way and of age before they are bred?????

The limited/full thing is a matter of principle to many. Most breeders who are die-hard limited proponents actually do exactly the same thing they're saying they want to prevent, hence the disdain many have for limited. I see both sides. My own personal thinking is that if I don't trust someone enough to do right by that pup in ALL decisions in the future, then they shouldn't have that pup in the first place. If you're a commercial breeder and selling puppies is your bread and butter, I understand that you can't have this philosophy because you would most definitely lose income if you were that exclusive with puppy placement. Double-edged sword, for sure.