A new bomber breeding from Parrish - Page 3

success in sport does not equal working abilities

Bady ze Svobodneho Dvora is a Vito son who has produced excellent working qualities, though I am not aware of his high level sport accomplishments. That is if law Enforcement work is considered work. But we put too much emphasis on just the stud....if Vito sons are bred to certain females, I am sure you will get strong working traits, if you breed Vito sons to other females(like ones with Tom v Leedalhof close up in their pedigrees) you get some real nice sport dogs....it always takes two to tango. I am sure it is the same with Bomber, or Bandit, or Bady.......a lot has to do with what's on the other side of the pedigree.

slam wrote:
 

Ahhh, but it does show the ability to work and be trained and a commitment by the owner.  I will consider the working ability of sport dog over a dog that has not done any sport or any type of work.  Should we just rely on the breeder's word that the dog can work or has working ability.  Not everyone actually works their dog in real life everyday.  Some just breed dogs, sell dogs and talk about their working ability with little or no proof of that ability.  Unless we consider the exploits of the dog "working" in the back yard as proof enough.

what wise words!

I understand that it is a stage to see the different qualities of dogs, my point is a dog winning WUSV doesn't mean it will be able to do actual work. In this case, one of the previous posters mentioned bomber was not working material because he had not qualified to WUSV or one of the other top-sport events, which is what brought up my comment. .

There are so many well respected people that have worked bomber including Parrish and Russ to know he is the real deal when working. That is just my opinion. In this breeding my concern was that the bitch was just a SCH I

Troopscott
  Unless I lose my mind, my female will not get more the a SCH I. But I do not want a sport dog. As far as Roxy goes you ought to see her work.
In my life my dog needs to heal, down, recall, show lots of aggression, bite and out. That being said, if I want to breed her,  titles are a good thing, so I will teach her to track and do all of the OB just to prove she can. But we will not even try to go to the podium, even if my old tried butt could do it.  I do not want that kind of dog.

ejax
I agree that top level competition shows a lot but not all.  First of all it seems he did not need to. At this point I would say that enough have seen what he is, and what others were told was enough for them. For such a young dog he has quit a few dogs on there way to the top.
You ask me why would a Vito son not tested to the top be bred more then those who were. In a simple form he is just better. He will produce more top dogs then any other Vito son, All you have to do is hide and watch. (wow if he does not I will have a lot of crow to eat LOL)
The GSD lacks a lot these days and it needs well bred hard, aggressive, self assured, bite for real dogs to put hardness back in the gene pool. This type of dog will not be a top sport dog. If you only  breed top sport dogs soon you will not have any hardness in your dogs at all. All you will have is high prey driven dogs that can not do real protection and pets.

I have no desire to have a sport dog they are useless to me. Schutzhund = Protection Dog  Shall we see how many will really protect? 


 

Troopscott
Parrish has some real nice females. There has been a lot of time,help and money putting a group of bitches together like his.

Hi. I worked Bomber 3 times 3 different days. Here's a short clip of me working him:
http://youtu.be/Nh8TfNbC-sQ

What can I say about him? Super grip. Bad movements. Slow to strike, slow to make grip, slow on the long bite. Lacks real aggression and intensity. Does not have enough heart and fire for my taste. Pretty dog, with big head (which can explain the crushing grip, but showlines can grip that hard too). He's just a NORMAL dog. Bandit, I think has the upperhand in work (being faster). But Bandit looks mediocre to me. Both Bomber and Bandit is NOTHING like the A-litter from Justin and Noditha. The A-litter smokes them. That's fact. And if you people would actually work real dogs, and then work Bomber... you would say the same. Not impressed with what Bomber throws either... lacks hardness and aggression. There was ONE son that I liked when Russ brought the dogs to our club in NW Arkansas, and that's http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/226862/Mailo-aus-der-Eichendorffsiedlung
That dog had heart and fire! But look at the mother line! I even told Russ that he was MUCH better than Bomber :P

Also, there is such things as dogs that are MADE. Made dogs are dogs that don't bring much naturally, but through great training can compete at the higher levels. There is, also, such things as dogs that naturally have a lot of heart and fire (real dogs), that can compete at the higher levels. If you actually have experience working real dogs as a helper, training in IPO, and competing in IPO, then you, too, would have the eye to make these distinctions when watching BSP and WUSV dogs. But no, you people either want to say BSP/WUSV dogs don't mean shit OR BSP/WUSV dogs means everything.