Please....anyone....I'd really appreciate feedback.... - Page 3

I would like to applaude those that have posted here ---------- Well said

I am sure that many folks will be trying to get on the " Bandwagon " and make large amouts of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

from breeding Long Coats as bondos mom obviously intends to do and don't worry she will not be alone.

Breed Shilos Babe.  Don't get mad at the GSD world.  Our titles are earned and hard earned.  If you had any respect for the breed you would accept that.  How many hours have you sat at a Schh club waiting to practice before the hardest judges you will cross?  You asked for feedback and you got it.  Schh and GSDs are gold.  If you breed shit to gold all you get is shit on your gold.  Dean Calderon.

Let it go.  Long haired GSDs are a fault.  You are posting on a pedigree site for heavens sake!

If you search your pedigrees you will find that your dogs are probably shilos anyway.  Cool. 

You said that you wanted to learn and and do things the right way.            You have it all

BACK TO FRONT, THE RIGHT WAY WOULD HAVE BEEN TO RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE YOU BOUGHT 3 OR MORE DOGS.

I did the research and then had to wait almost 2 years for my first puppy. But that is just me : I didn't want to make a mistake and purchase the wrong foundation bitch and the she was only bred at 3 years of age and after x-rays and Breed Survey to a suitable stud.

Bondo's Mom,

My opinion is that you should change your site and just make it a general site about you and your dogs, what you are doing with them, etc.  If you really want to breed some day and breed well, the site as it is currently is destroying your credibility.  Like you say, people are not just born with the knowledge of the breed and how to breed.  But like KCzaja said you are putting the cart before the horse here.  If you want to have a web site, that is fine.  I have my own dog web sites too (vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net and dogblog.dutchbingo.net) and have NO intention of breeding.  Since you still need to OFA your dogs, learning about titling, etc there's really no point on advertising yourself as a breeder and your dogs as breeding dogs.  Again, I think that will just destroy your credibility later down the road.  I'm not trying to be mean, but the way it looks now it really does look like a BYB, but if you are passionate about the breed then there's no reason why we should tell you that you can't get the experience you need and maybe breed someday.  But really you should decide to breed and THEN go out looking for breeding dogs.  You should just be committed to training and working your dogs, and maybe someday you will have one that is truly breeding quality and you will want to breed, but it's sort of backward to decide to breed before any sort of health testing and breedworthiness testing has been done.

agree

Or maybe, Bondo's mom, instead of chewing out the people who are (rightfully, may I add) furious with you, try letting it go and focus on people such as myself who attempted to be patient with you and give you helpful suggestions in spite of being very against what you intend to do. What I see now is you using a few people jumping down your back as a feeble EXCUSE to not really get involved in dogs seriously. As I said, you need thick skin, and it appears you lack it.

You have no concept what goes into breeding these dogs well. I can't tell you the countles hours, blood, sweat, MANY MANY tears and THOUSANDS of dollars (and I am no wealthy woman) I have put into breeding GSDs RIGHT.  Take a little time to learn and you will understand why these people are so angry, you are spitting in the face of their life's work. I tried to be kind and helpful, and if you want to focus on the negative you won't get far. Good bye and good luck.

GSD Justice, your repeated suggestions that bondo's mom breed 'shilos' are starting to irk me. First of all, there is no such breed: it is spelled SHILOH.

Secondly, she will need just as much information on the Shiloh Shepherd to breed them properly as she would on the long coat GSD. They do not have as big a gene pool as the GSD does, and if you don't know what you're about, you can wind up with some serious faults such as hooked tails, floppy ears and malemute type masks.

The true Shiloh shepherds are bred by Tina Barber, and if you want to become one of her licensed breeders, you have to take a course about the dogs that covers everything from calculating the coefficient of interrelatedness (COI) on pedigrees to evaluating litters.  And be warned: Tina is a tough taskmaster, and doesn't tolerate fools gladly.

One thing I'm sure of, though. She'd get a much warmer welcome on the Shiloh website than she did here.

For those including Clara who did not get why I put in the information about the putative car and foreclosed houses let me outline it for you. First it suggests an attitude toward making money ( buy low sell high) that also seems to be reflected in Clara's posts  ( I need to hurry up and get some income from these girls attitude). Secondly I find it highly ironic that often the better heeled is less willing to spend money on quality goods.  So no not directly relevent to thread but indirectly so.

Sunsilver, I believe the correct term for COI is Coefficient of Inbreeding . Here is an excellent article about it. http://www.ashgi.org/articles/breeding_coi.htm  I would recommend this site to all of you. It has excellent information. I particularly like the articles by C.A. Sharpe who wrote the COI one. Here are two of the index pp for the site.   http://www.ashgi.org/articles/gen_info.htm and http://www.ashgi.org/articles/breeding.htm .

I'm not quite sure why you are such a fan of Tina's. Unfortunately I am old enough to remember the time before Shilohs and Tina started out exactly the same way this lady is intending - deliberately breeding oversized long coats. But then she need a schtick to distinquish herself from the rest of the crowd deliberately breeding badly bred GSDs so walla - the invention of the "shilohs" - and imho it's nothing more than a schtick to get  more money from people. At that she has been successful.

Finally, Clara. You asked for feedback. We gave it. But you are unhappy because we don't agree with you and we didn't sugar coat our opinions. Instead of getting pissy with us for telling you the facts of life why don't you do what you claim you want to do- take the time and learn about the breed. I outlined a plan for you in my last post. Why not take the challenge? Three years is not that long, you can still breed later but you will have gained invaluable information about your dogs,. your self and the breed. By the way the web links above are a great place to start.

So tell us - if it's not about the money which you claim it is not - why not accept the challenge. It's very doable and both you and your dogs will benefit from it.

It's not about not accepting a challenge...it's about not wanting to be associated with anyone who remotely resembles jerks like most of the ones I have encountered here.    It's ugly and pathetic.    I could make up stupid  stupid lies about you guys and post it here like I have googled you or done research on you or however you are saying you "know' these things about me......I wont stoop to such childish behaviour...on second thought, most children to not behave that way so  that is an insult to children.  I can take,  and accept,  well intended advice, no matter if it is "what I want to hear or not"......and as I said, I  have no intentions of doing anything for a year.....I asked about ofa etc...to LEARN...but you guys are too full of yourselves to remember what it is like to need and want to learn anything.    I am sure it takes  a lot  of hard work and dedication to have titled dogs,  but it seems to me a lot of you have really let it go to your' head.   As I said earlier,  I would hate to see you guys together in person.....talk about "cat fights'...poor dogs and poor judges.   I refuse to post any other replies.  I am only repeating myself, and with most every post I am proven right about the general attitude on this forum.   I will find another avenue to learn,  one where people are not absoulutely attacked for not being born with all the knowledge in the world.  One more thing....the way I ended up with 3 dogs so soon.......well, never mind, it is pointless and in explaining I am only playing the game that makes me so sick.   Good grief.........