Distraction question about the AD title - Page 3

Brynjulf,

They're not the SchH title but you can get a TR (Tracking) 1, 2, 3 or an OB (Obedience) 1, 2, 3 with a dog where you are competing at the same difficulty level of that SchH level phase, just not for the actual SchH title.

So the 'title' if you will is a TR 1, TR 2, TR 3.

I'll hang my ass out there what the hell.  My female has a SchH I.  We achieved it with a 252, first time, first dog so I was over the moon.  Like all first time handlers I made mistakes with my first dog and the hard truth is she just doesn't have it for Phase C work.    Rather than push her and frustrate both of us, I have continued training on her and gotten a TR 2, and an OB 2 and hope to get TR 3, OB 3.

My bitch is spayed, she's not a breeding prospect, she's my fun sport hobby dog so I see no problem with working the phases we're strong at, getting trial experience with her and having those 'titles' in her scorebook.  Do I introduce her as a SchH 2 dog?  Hell no because she didn't earn *that* title but I do talk about training and trialing for her TR 2, OB 2 and working for our TR 3, OB 3 and hopefully FH 1 in the next year.

I have looked at training for the AD as well. If I am correct(please help with feedback) it is under the USA that you try for the AD. You will need to be a member of the USA or equilivent to attempt the AD. One article I was directed to that helped me understand how to train for the AD is :
www.meinemtraum.com/schH/Ausdauerprufung.htm   Another site that addresses this is SiriusDog.com, search for Conditioning for the Ausduaerprufung. Well written and good advice. You do have to ride a bike per the rules, a fursaver is the coller used. Some judges have allowed the use of the bike dog attatchments but most make you use only a loose leash which you hold as the dog runs with the bike. Much attention needs to be paid to the dogs pads when training for this. My dog and I hope to train once again for this. We got up to 8 miles and I took ill. Will resume again when it gets cooler.(I hope)

RLHAR
As i said these are the rules of the SV and the Belgian Federation, Your rules are a little more relaxed if you can get an AD before doing the BH test,
As for the AD we do not go out training on a cycle with the dog, just one or two little runs to see how the dog is with the cycle and then we take the test, Izzy had 400 yards practise with the Cycle and was perfect, i expect Gina to be the same if they are okay running by the cycle you should not need to train any sort of time, The Dog should already be fit enough to do the test It is not a big deal for a dog and as your rules we need an AD to get a Korung and we have to have the dog ScH1
Steve1

Hey Steve:

You must be the most fit man alive.........no pun intended.   Just to jump on a bike and go.  We Americans - I can say in honest truth - aren't just going to be able to jump on a bike and ride a couple of hours -12.5 miles - with a few breaks in between.  Especially, if we don't do it on a regular basis.

I have myself posted about training the AD - and in the past you stated the same - NO training required.   Just jump on the bike and go....  I just disagree with it.  If you can do it that is great - but I truly believe the animal and the man needs to be conditioned for it.... 

As far as the dog being in shape -in my opinion, it is a different kind of physical exercise that they exert at the club - chasing balls - running blinds, heeling down the field, etc....   I personally wouldn't want to jump on a bike, see if my dog was ok running by it - and then try to run a marathon with him.    My athlete deserves better from me....  But I do admire you for being able to do it.  If I could have done that it would have saved me endless bike rides - and falls because I can't ride a bike very well....lol

Anyway - Steve 1 - not meaning this to be a personal attack - so please don't take it that way - It is admiration on my part at you for being able to do it with no conditioning.  What a man.......

YogieBear

Hi Yogie
No' it is not the first time i have said it you are correct It is the same regarding going for the Show Grade, Once or twice round the ring or i should say one session of an evening then take the Grading never had any problem with a dog but in Gina's case a young Lady took her for me but she still did not have a lot of training.
Getting back to the AD of course a dog has to be fit but then mine always are they get plenty of work and if they cannot run that distance then there is something amiss i do not find it any big deal and i do not mean that in a big headed way. As for myself i regular walk home from the City some 9 to 10 miles and i think nothing of it and I do not get out of puff doing it and i do not ever stop walking so i think for my age of 71 years old i am in a decent condition, However saying this i have always kept fit right from a young lad so for me it is nothing new and i am thankful for being like it the time will come when it will not be that way so i make the most of it
Regarding the last three dogs i AD none had any cycle training other than one short go to see how they kept with the Cycle, and they all had no problem doing the course, the same evening Izzy Bitch did her AD that morning she was at the training club doing her Obedience and Bitework and took it all in her stride,
Steve1
However are you sure you are not being a little sarcastic in a nice way of course

No sarcastism at all Steve..  Only admiration.....It is always nice to see a fit man.....  Just wanted to point it out to you.  Thats all. 

But lets face it - the average bear can't do it with out conditioning.

Best Regards
YogieBear

Since many here in the states keep their dogs on grass the vast majority of the time, if not always, it is definitely a good idea to build up the pads so they become thicker for asphalt or concrete. That, along with acclimating the dog to staying with you on the bike under distraction, like several other dogs on bikes. We did several miles every 2-3 days on pavement in the park. Had ONE crash... my son was biking by us and Cassie wanted to say hi... I went flying! LOL. It also helps acclimate you bottom side to a bike seat if you are not used to it. Theresa

 I think some things got mixed up here along the way...

Steve - according to WUSV rules, AD can be done with any healthy dog in the age of 16 months to 6 years. No previous BH title is necessary.
It is not a title required before obtaining  BH, Schutzhund or IPO titles but only required to obtain a breed survey (Körung).
With new rules starting 2012 the term "Schutzhund" will not longer be used for trials - instead only IPO I, II, III will be used.
Another change will be that there will be individual trials offered in FPr 1-3 (tracking), Upr 1-3 (obedience), Spr1-3 (bitework)  only (Spr1-3 has to be offered in connection with other degrees or phases). These single phases are not required for obtaining any IPO title or breed survey, they are soley meant to serve a broader spectrum of participants and are not awarded with a degree.
More information will come out shortly with full translation of changes to FCI rules.

You can find the German article by Günther Diegel at http://sv-delbrueck.de/app/download/4824764902/SV-ZEITUNG-Diegel.pdf

The area on which an AD trial is held is entirely up to the organizing club. They can choose any form of surface. Most club use a variety of surfaces (from pavement to grass or gravel and back) for an AD test.

Tinglesandtails
Sorry but i have to respectably disagree with you on that you can take the AD over here in Belgium without getting the BH first I should know i have done it many times.
I cannot take the AD or UV test until Gina does her BH next Month, Then i will have a big problem finding a venue this year to do the AD and i think the earliest one is Feb next year in Overpelt
When we put the AD test on Izzy i went to Germany because it was around the late part of the year we did the AD and this was last year, to do the test and she had to have her BH before taking the AD and of course she had done so.
If the Germans have changed since last year they may have but this is not the case in Belgium you need the BH before you take the AD, and the AD is an endurance test not for ScH, but for getting a Korung for you cannot get a dog korung without first taking the BH then the AD then a minimum of getting a ScH 1 title that is over here in Belgium your rules in the States are different it seems and you do not need to get the BH first
Steve1