Linebreeding vs Inbreeding - Page 3

linebreeding is sooooooo much more than doubling up names on the pedigree ,its also about the  dogs  you use

 daryll no offense , but if your linebreeding on hutch , and you want to have certain qualities of hutch to be  in your puppies , the first thing you need is a a pair of dogs that have those qualities

now what do you expect from a bitch that is a hutch doughter , but doesnot have his pack drive and easy off switch ,how do you think she will produce that ,  what will the pups be like , and more important , what will you geneticly achieve , for the breedingqualities of the pups in the future

Yeah, I realize with ANY other female I have about as much chance of getting the noted characteristics, but all the OTHER unmentioned qualities are easier to bank on without much worry.  But, if I can get just one in an entire litter, that's all I need.  I've never owned another dog (among dozens) that display his complete cooperative desire, and that's why it's important to me to see if I can retain that.  If not, then I will still have tested him for underlying faults, and acquired something for the effort.

I've shared some conversation with an old race horse breeder who assures me that this character trait is hereditary.  While I suspect it may be noticeably enhanced or diminished during the bonding process with the handler, there's still that element that exists beforehand that facilitates that character behavior.  Otherwise, ALL the dogs I've raised similarly would "click" as well in my training relationship as he has.

Anyway, I aim to find out, because in my opinion, that's the most useful selective characteristic a workingline breeder could hope for.  Many important should-not-be omitted characteristics aside, I hold that one in the highest regard.  I now understand that, I could not have known what I was missing until I actually had it.

No fun agreeing with Daryl, but I think it has to be done in this one instance. Biddability and a high desire to cooperate/work WITH the handler is a great characteristic that I think is too seldom emphasized in typical breeding programs. This is one of my favorite things about my foundation bitch, and from what I have seen, it's absolutely hereditary.

so if you and daryll agree that its absolutely hereditery , and the bitch doesnot have it , makes this combination more linebreeding on paper than it will be in reality ,on that point

not saying that you cannot have great dogs from this combo by the way , only pointing out the difference between linebreeding on paper and the real thing

If you read what I wrote, Duke, I merely am agreeing that this trait is, in my experience, hereditary. I made zero comment on Daryl's breeding, as I have never met his dogs and have no idea what they're like. 

No, I won't be doubling up on pack drive, if that's what you mean, and it's too bad.

Daryl  - the female you want to breed Hutch to - you state that she isn't a team play - I take that means she doesn't have "pack" drive......yet you admire that in Hutch - if you like that characteristic in Hutch  - and hope to get a pup with that- why not breed to a female that has that also?  Chances are you will get what you desire...

What you do you expect the female you are breeding to will bring to the table?  It is possible that the pups will get her "bad attitude" and low pack drive....it does take two..........or is it that you are just hoping that they will take that from poppa? 

YogieBear

Because the female that has that, isn't going to have everything else in common with Hutch.  I'm not going through a couple dozen females the find one with pack drive, either.  My ex-wife had one, but she had to be put down because of a painful health condition, and her thresholds were very high, and she was not as agile or fast, and so on.  You make it sound so easy, and I wish it were so.

My ex-wife had one, but she had to be put down

Why was your x-wife put down?

Duke said.."Daryll no offense , but if your linebreeding on hutch , and you want to have certain qualities of hutch to be  in your puppies  the first thing you need is a a pair of dogs that have those qualities."

 Hello! That is what line and inbreeding is all about! The mere fact that he is intensifying the breeding with a father/daughter breeding, is just that, intensifying certain qualities that he sees in hutch that he is trying to keep.  However, with this intensification he does so with any other bad qualities.  It is from here he "weed" out those qualities as his program progresses!