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by frankm205 on 20 December 2010 - 22:12

 And... you absolutely need a confident dog that is social!!!!  Without it you are creating a fear biter, not my opinion a fact.

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 20 December 2010 - 23:12

Can you please explain exactly what you mean by social in this instance frank?

by frankm205 on 20 December 2010 - 23:12

 By social I mean to different environments, street, buildings, cars etc... He should also be neutral to people who are not a threat. By subjecting a dog to these different environments, people, busy streets etc... wil make the dog more confident. I don't mean every Tom Dick or Harry should be able to pet your dog, but he should be social and conditioned enough to people in different places. 

Example, you are walking your personal protection trained dog down the street and a jogger comes running up behind you, the dog should not attack the innocent jogger. Or a small child say 9 -10 yrs old approaches your dog, not a threat, the dog should be tolerant of these types of situations. Basically it is alot of social  conditioning that should be incorporated in the training.  

Ace952

by Ace952 on 20 December 2010 - 23:12

You know when it comes to PPD it is a fine line I see.  People say that the dog should be social and great everywhere but at the sametime you want him to be protective.  Somewhere there has to be some sort of give and take.

I see it being hard having a SERIOUS PPD and then it being super social.  Some dogs will be great at PP b/c they have a natural suspicion of people..  Not saying they will just snap and attack but they have a "ON" button and it doesn't really shut off until they are home in their own surroundings.

Isn't it a possible problem if the dog is super social to the point where anyone can harm you b/c the dog is so conditioned to be social?

Part of me feels like I want my dog to be "on" when we are out and if soemoen does approcah rather closely then it is up to me to tell the dog "no, relax" or whatever.


Felloffher

by Felloffher on 20 December 2010 - 23:12

Not speaking for Frank, but maybe social is the wrong term. Indifferent to people is what I like in a good dog.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 21 December 2010 - 00:12

Actually, I don't think the dog needs to be social but under control.  It should be environmentally stable and comfortable in different situations.  I think a dog with a slight underlying insecurity that doesn't trust everyone it meets can be a very good PPD.  This dog must have natural aggression and be controllable, but wary of strangers  and aloof.  A dog like that can be a great PPD, often times better than the super confident dog that doesn't find anyone to be a threat. 

Regarding the video and the dog, I think the decoy and the training need to be tweaked a bit.

JMO,

Jim

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 21 December 2010 - 00:12

I agree Jim, and Felloffher, and with your meaning of social Frank, and Ace too!
 thanks.

Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 21 December 2010 - 01:12

Ace952 – the last video we did was the “Civil work” video, we are going to try and make a
video that will hopefully explain what a Professionally Trained PPD is in our opinion.

Ronin – I will try and address your concerns and observations; I am a former Peace Officer/K9 Handler
While I have trained one or two dogs, PSD & PPD I do not consider myself a Trainer. I do consider myself
a decent Handler who is constantly striving to improve my skills. And very fortunate to be able to work with a World Class Trainer, which in my opinion are few and far between.

As far as real world experiences, it would be fair to say that I probably have more than the average person, having said that, for reasons of confidentiality I will not discuss them or my achievements. With the background you claim to have, researching me should be easy.

Having read your information I am confused as I am sure many are as to what you do? Your comments range from; (What a reasonably intelligent person would deduce as) your being a Security Guard up to a Secret Service Agent assigned to Presidential detail. And you seem to describe a PSD one moment and then a mediocre PPD the next.

You mention your experience with PPDs failing easy jobs, no dog (which has passed our intial criteria for a PPD/PSD) Ever Fails a job. The Trainer or Handler is always the one who has failed.

If your Trainers or Handlers which you claim to deploy with are failing, please feel free to visit us and observe our dogs working. We would welcome the oppourtunity to conduct a “Real Life” training scenario for our dogs which you think they would fail at.

Our dogs have, and still are being deployed by Government Officials, Corrections, Police Departments, the U.S. Airforce and hundreds of Civilians.

I would respectfully suggest that your experiences with PPDs is limited to some good dogs being handled by inept individuals.

Should you wish to discuss this or learn more about a Professionally Trained PPD please feel free to contact us.

All of our videos can been viewed on our website at; www.canczechdogs.com

Sincerely

Mr. Kim Moore


Prager

by Prager on 21 December 2010 - 01:12

Dog in early stages of protection. It is a good start. Prey training is a start. There is some threat with the stick . Good start.
More needs to be added. Like courage under stress and hidden sleeve, gun fire, advancing decoy, passive decoy, different decoys and  environments,  like stairs, slippery floors, dark buildings  and so on and on. But good dog. I do not see any problems at this stage.
Good Job!!!
Prager Hans
 http://www.alpinek9.com
 P.S. Don Corleone why don't you tell us how you start pp training? dan try to  say something nice now and then , especially to new people.


Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 21 December 2010 - 02:12

Prager - Vynikající komentář příteli


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