Buyer changes limited reg to full - Page 3

I agree with crhuerta 100%.

As Liesjers mentioned, some breeders are more than happy to lift or remove limited registration after the dog is 2 and is what they consider to be breed worthy.  By buying from those breeders the buyer should accept that the puppy is "pet quality" until proven (by whatever criteria the breeder puts forth) otherwise, or they should look elsewhere for their pup.

 Quote: I find it interesting that breeders should give full registration to puppies going out of our kennels but we should also be prepared to take them all back even though they are "NOT YOUR DOG ANYMORE". Which way do you want it? Breeders to remain responsible for what they create or not? Can't have it both ways in my opinion.

There are different ways to look at it. One is that the breeders "control" what goes out with limited registration, and have spay and neuter contracts.

Another is that since the person selling the pup should have some idea of who is buying the pup, and since the person is paying for a dog, it is their dog.

Another is that if you are breeding a dog that has little interest from people as far as getting a pup, then maybe the dog should not be bred.

It is messy trying to control other people, but it is prevalent in the dog world. When you look at the ways that I have shown, the last method seems to be the best option. 

 I for one sell all my puppies with restricted papers progeny not for registration and not for export pedigree the reason for this is to safe guard my breeding and the breed as a whole, (it is also part of my contract that if they are having any problems with the dog that i am given the first opportunity to re home the dog)why should i put a lot of time and effort into raising a litter of fit healthy puppies, allow who ever buys one to mate it at 12months then every season after that to untested dogs so the unsuspecting public then buy these puppies and all of a sudden my breeding comes into question when the puppy buyer has a cripple or a dog with heam etc, every new owner is always vetted by me and told of the restrictions on the registration and if they still want a bitch to breed from then they are told as long as the bitch passes all health tests and is breed surveyed i will lift the progeny not for registration and offer as much help as possible to pick a suitable stud dog that suits the lines and will also help to find suitable new owners for their puppies, imo i think i am being fair with the new owners, and i explain everything in detail that is contained in the contract, it is then there choice whether they buy a puppy from me or not.
jim h

No amount of restrictions or contracts can prevent anyone from breeding from the dog they have bought.
If you don't want a dog you bred being bred from then as Jeff said, don't breed it.  If you are not 100% certain of the intentions of who you sell a dog too (and how many people have thought they were and been proved wrong) then perhaps you should not be breeding.  Its a chance you take.

 If I don't trust a buyer enough to make the proper decisions regarding that dog throughout every situation in life, then I don't sell that person a dog. Period. This only gets complicated when breeders want to split hairs and still make money while trying to "protect their lines" and maintain control over who gets bred and who doesn't.

I have been fortunate that the only "iffy" pup I have sold was a possible coat, and I held his papers back entirely. If a puppy is so bad it should never be bred, don't sell it with papers at all, or cull it, but IMHO, the ONLY way to ensure that the right decisions are made is to trust your buyer. Sorry breeders, that means you can't sell your pups to 85% of the population....and I may be being overly optimistic. 

I think limited registration is a bunch of crap and a copout. Produce phenomenal, breedworthy puppies, put them in phenomenal homes with people you trust and who have the best interests of that dog and the breed at heart, and you will have far fewer problems than if you breed average or good dogs and try to sell them to "nice" people on limited registration or spay/neuter contracts. 

Jenni78 Thank you so much very well put!  I agree 100%!  That's the point I've been trying to make, but you put it better.

Those average or good dogs sold to "nice" people on limited registration or spay/neuter contracts are the dogs that end up back with the breeder or in a shelter somewhere.

I do have to agree with Jeff on that one, I would lough in a breeder face if he would sell me dog on limitted reg, actually I would not even buy a dog from that breeder, I paid the money I can do what I damn please, some of the breeders make me lough..

BTW I never had a litter out of a single dog that I owned and they all were sold on full reg to me and never fixed(broke). lol I think some breeders sell the pups to make money and than try to protect their business rather than sell the pup to the right owner to begin with. I love the statment I don't breed for my own benefit ;) weather you make money out of it or not there is still some benefit or you would not do it lol ;)

"If I don't trust a buyer enough to make the proper decisions regarding that dog throughout every situation in life, then I don't sell that person a dog."

Thank you Jenni, I like this statement.  As a buyer, I think along the same lines...if a breeder can't trust me enough to give me full registration, then why sell me a dog at all?  I don't want to pay $1000 or more to someone who I don't think trusts me.  I've had some breeders tell me they only sell on limited.  OK, that is their choice and I respect that, as long as they respect my choice to look elsewhere.  I haven't had trouble finding a dog sold with full registration despite some breeders who sell limited insisting that good/reputable breeders only sell limited.

Like Snaiper I have not ever bred a dog and do not intend to, yet I get my dogs with full registration and they are intact.  My obligations are to my own dogs, not the breeder and their interests.  I also will never do co-ownerships.  The only co-owner I deal with is my husband (he is the co-owner of three of my dogs and I am the co-owner of his dog).

I bought my Fiest with limited regs and the contract that at 2 years of age and with a ofa in the range of normal and the her first preformance title I would get full registration. I bought her at 10 weeks a with full knowledge of what I,m buying. She will get her Sch1 in a month Her ofa,s should be back in November and I,m sure the breeder will honor there agreement. 

There just protecting there kennel name and lines I see no problem in that.