I really do like the look of these Shepherds - Page 3

To geordiegaviino. You are the person who's emailed just about every breeder in North East looking for a bitch with the intention of breeding from her. What's it especially about these dogs that makes them look suitable to you? Bearing in mind, that a few days ago on another thread you stated " i think people should always remember the original looking gsd's and aim for that if they want to a gsd to truely look like a true gsd".

Lidia

Breeding was just a possibility in my mind. After long hard thinking. I dont see the attraction anymore (well i do) but it is too much of a bitchy world and if am honest it is a expensive hobby. I like the idea of a family pet. Which these dogs are bred for and i have been thinking about their hip scores myself but considering i dont plan to breed and i would have a bitch spayed. Its not something i am going to worry too much about yet. Am just looking at these dogs at the moment.

You all have your views and i accept those but you cant judge me for not wanting to breed. If i was a breeder i would buy only the best i could find but that isnt a option for me right now anymore. So why waste my money on a dog which would be good for breeding if am not going to breed him/her?

by Rik on 11 September 2010 - 03:09 Rik

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geordie, why don't you show your love for the GSD and choose another breed. Feel free to take your mate with you.

How childish Rik. Am not breeding these dogs. Someone else is and i do like the look of them. Yes i like the look of the original GSD's but no one seems to breed that look. Everyone has their own standards they follow. You have yours, someone else will have theirs and these breeders have this look. Not ideal for working etc... but not everyone wants a working dog but they like the GSD in general. Every breed has different lines. I would just be upsetting another breed lover if i choose the wrong type of dog! If i was a breeder i would of tried my best to get the best possible foundation dogs but am not and i want a pet now. I wont expect much more than company from he/she and you as a gsd lover will know that the ideal gsd wouldnt fit a normal pet owner's way of living but there are lines of gsd like this (yes they are far from perfect) that claim to provide dogs bred for the everyday owner. Chances are i wont even buy from these breeders (for what ever reason) but i am allowed to consider them.

Geordiegaviino

You should be very concerned about hip scores. Just because you say you don't intend to breed does not mean HD would not matter to you.
I have 2 dogs with HD and believe me hip scores matter.
If people continue to buy puppies from anyone who blatantly disregards the quality of the dogs hips then we will always have dogs who suffer.
I know that there is no guarantee that any puppy will have low scoring hips but to buy a puppy from someone who breeds from high scoring parents needs their head examined!!
I think I read somewhere that if you breed from from dogs with HD  50% of the litter is likely to have HD.
There is also the vet costs involved with looking after a dog with HD. The costs can run into thousands of pounds during the course of the dogs lifetime. As I have stated just because you dont intend to breed is no reason to not buy the very best you can.
Only when these bad breeders are hit in their pockets will they stop churning out potentially unhealthy dogs .

Geordiegaviino
 To be honest as you do not appear to have even basic knowledge  of dog genetics you would be best off not breeding at all at the moment as you need to do a lot of research so that you at least learn the basics. Breeding any breed of dog requires a degree of both skill and knowledge not to mention a huge financial outlay. best leave it to people who do know what they are doing rather than thinking its a quick way to make money.

by Merryvale on 11 September 2010 - 16:09 Merryvale

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Geordiegaviino
To be honest as you do not appear to have even basic knowledge of dog genetics you would be best off not breeding at all at the moment as you need to do a lot of research so that you at least learn the basics. Breeding any breed of dog requires a degree of both skill and knowledge not to mention a huge financial outlay. best leave it to people who do know what they are doing rather than thinking its a quick way to make money. 

Read back through this post and you see i dont plan to and when i said i was considering it. I was talking about years in the future once i've studied all i could about it etc...  The reason i signed up to this site was to learn as much as i could of but not one bit of information seemed logical on this site. Everyone contradicted each other. I never once said i wanted to make money, last i heard. It is almost impossible to make a profit (if you do it correctly)

I have decided to avoid advice from this site as soon as i signed up cause you all argue amongst each other about your dogs and breeding. So i dont plan to take any advice thankyou. I'll make my way in this world by trial and error and hopefully i'll find myself a good family pet.

Again i said i would consider these breeders. Not that i was actually 100% thinking of buying from them!

I actually liked your first comment and i was going to answear with "I understand that and the hip scores are questionable and i dont know if i will actually seriously consider buying from them" but then you got bitchy and seemed to accuse me of being intrested in money and money alone. Sorry but that was uncalled for and to accuse someone you dont know of wanting a dog to use as a money machine isnt the nicest thing you can call someone is it? All because i liked the look of certain type of GSD's and made a comment about i wasnt going to worry to much about the hips (yet).

geordiegaviino
 There many different breeds for different purposes. Thee is no reason to support a path of someone ruining genetically  fragile new breed like GSD. Also you can take anybody's advice or not. But there are 2 kinds of advice. the one we like and the one we dislike . You should consider both.
 If you like laid back big breed resembling GSD get a Shiloh Shepherd which is exactly that and it is not GSD.

http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS339US341&q=shiloh+shepherd&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

http://www.newzionshilohs.org/home.htm

But do not support someone totally destroying a GSD.
Again Shiloh Shepherd is a derivative of a GSD but it in NOT GSD!!
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
 

geordi, are you offended. I hope so.You want to know what offends me. Holding a young dog while a vet sticks the final needle in them. They will always be looking straight into your eyes, because they trust you. The result many times of careless breeding and even more careless/uneducated buyers who do not understand issues with the GSD.

I hope you are so offended that you take a little time to research the almost daily posts here from people going through the emotional and financial distress that come from breedings such as you are promoting. I hope you are so offended that you take the 10 minutes required to click on the "standard" button to the left of this page and at least put some effort into understanding what a GSD is and should be. Pay particular attention to "characteristics of a purebred GSD".

I'll take "childish" every day over ignorant. How can anyone spend over a day on this board and not understand the outcome of careless breeding.

Best,
Rik

geordiegaviino, it seems to me you already have one dog with a problem (it hates other dogs). Please try not to land yourself with another issue.
Lidia