To Be or Not to Be - Page 3

Now tho I personally do not hold any hope that Molly will choose to end this farce - and it is in Molly's corner and has been since last May please let's return this thread to finding solutions that can work - even if that does not gain the views and the interest that the mudfighting does.

Good ideas are always welcome and Nocurs I thank you for yours even tho in practice it would not work.

I do agree and have stated all along that a neutral mediator is needed - one preferably that has nothing to do with the GSD community nevermind those who have actually posted. Tho I do think a dog person would be preferable because dog co-ownerships and how they are conducted are very very different from what you usually find in the legal system re co-owned property.

I will hope someone may have a stroke of genius and find a way to at least get Molly talking/ thinking/considering about the possibility of negotiating an end to this mess.

As noted above the ball is in her court.

If she does not then as someone else noted we need to look at her suitability  for a high office in a national GSD organizaton AND we need to consider our actions in regard to her presence on this board because otherwise we are just condoning her actions and statements in this whole mess.

So ideas????

Friends of Molly can you talk reason to her and at least get her to consider finding a solution other than this mess???

TIG,

If the "solution" involves returning Gabi.  IF Gabi is dead, there will neither be a solution nor resolution.

Michele

An option aside from Gabi being dead, is the possibility that Gabi was simply rehomed with a family after being spayed, and returning Gabi to Shelly, or selling her to the many potential buyers on this board, creates the problem of depriving that family of the dog they believe is rightfully theirs.

Playing devil's advocate here... after the vitriol shown towards Molly and those who defend her, would she be willing to expose the family who rehomed the dog to the same level of attack, for the sole purpose of putting the question to rest?

There would also, obviously, be the complication of possibly not having *told* the family the entire saga of the dog, and how it came to be spayed and placed in a pet home... which could be difficult, embarassing, and potentially a civil liability.

Its sort of a no-win situation for Molly.  Whether she put herself in that situation, or was placed into it by Shelley's actions is really neither here nor there to me, and I don't wish to involve myself in that debate one way or the other.  Just exploring explanations other than "Gabi is dead".

Hmmm. Do my eyes deceive me or am I looking at receipts from a vet in PA for 3 yr. rabies vaccinations (exp 12/2010) and lifetime PA dog licenses for two dogs named Carol and Gabi, owner one Shelley Strohl, Lehighton, PA, with tags attached?
No.
My eyes are fine. That's what they are. No question.

I once signed a co-own agreement for a dog.  It stated, among other things, that the responsibility to keep the dog's vaccinations up to date, and register the dog with the county, was mine.

I'm sure that whomever has Gabi now, also has rabies vacc's, and county licenses with *their* name on it.  They don't ask for proof of ownership for either of those things, as I think was stated on another thread.

Hell, if you had Gabi microchipped, why not call Vets in Molly's area, and the microchip registries, and see if that chip serial number has been registered to a new owner?  You believe yourself to be the owner, so you would be acting on your belief that your dog is missing, and you are attempting to locate it. 

Mudwick, 

Thanks for the laugh. You sound like you know that wonderful instantly, bonded-already family of  a recent few months. Yep, Shelley is a mere doggy figment by now. 

You're reading an awful lot into my post.

I said nothing of the dog bonding to anyone.  I'm sure, regardless of who is responsible for what, the dog has suffered greatly in this ordeal, being seperated from the person who owned her and cared for her for many years.

I simply provided an alternate explanation for why Molly would continue to conceal the whereabouts of the dog, that to a rational person, would seem rather logical.  There was nothing, anywhere in that statement, that could be remotely construed as condoning either party's actions in the matter.


Suggesting that Shelly look into the possibility that the dog's microchip has been registered to another owner, seems like a logical course of action.  There's a slight chance that whomever is in possession of the dog, has had the chip scanned.  If the dog was surrendered to the ASPCA, one would have to think the chip was scanned at some point in the process, regardless of the outcome for the dog.  I'd find it hard to believe Molly would take the dog to an ASPCA well outside her area, so it wouldn't be hard to call the ones IN her area in an attempt to gain information about the dog.

I fail to see how anything I said implied that I had taken either party's side.

You Betcha. I do suspect ya. So many possible scenarios. Poor disadvantaged Molly, but you aren't taking any sides, I get it.

Where in god's name did I say "poor disadvantaged Molly"?

The obsession with putting everyone in either Molly or Shelley's corner gets tiresome.
Personally, I'm in Gabi's corner.

That's why you said verbatim:   Its sort of a no-win situation for Molly. 

You could have said the same about Shelley, but you didn't. Let's see, is it because you're a bright-eyed bushy tailed newbie who read all 666 pages of this feud? And you conclude some strangers of a few months are better for old, washed-out Gabi, not her human master of the past 9 years? Horrors, you heard the poor dog ate Costco food! Didn't you? And look, you have such a nice looking workingline pup avatar! Fancy that! What's the pedigree? Share, please!

Searching for microchips is a waste of time. Gabi never went to ASPCA. And these breeders do their own chipping they aren't about to waste good $$$ giving it to a vet. Wouldn't be too hard to manipulate a new chips info, now would it, we are dealing with some savvy ladies and gents, here. So, I want to ask, why would you want to waste Shelley's time and energy on such a wild goose chase?