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by UlfKintzel on 02 March 2010 - 01:03
Folks, I enjoy this discussion and I am mightily surprised about how much interest it triggered. Please understand that this is very time consuming and I have just now a lambing season starting. So, I will be a bit limited with time here and then. If I forget to answer your question just remind me and I will get to it eventually.
by UlfKintzel on 02 March 2010 - 02:03
<<Do you introduce your dog at a very young age? Or what is the best age?>>
If in doubt, wait a while longer. It is early enough for the dog to start training at one plus years of age. While I am guilty of having trained my own dogs at times rather young, it is nothing to be proud of. When I take other people’s dog into training I’d like them to be 2 to 3 years old. I trained a dog as old as 7 years of age and that went well, too. The problems occur when the dogs are too young.
If in doubt, wait a while longer. It is early enough for the dog to start training at one plus years of age. While I am guilty of having trained my own dogs at times rather young, it is nothing to be proud of. When I take other people’s dog into training I’d like them to be 2 to 3 years old. I trained a dog as old as 7 years of age and that went well, too. The problems occur when the dogs are too young.
by GSDXephyr on 02 March 2010 - 13:03
Ulf.. will you be posting these on your website as well? They would make a nice addition to the articles on training that you have...
by UlfKintzel on 02 March 2010 - 17:03
<<Ulf.. will you be posting these on your website as well? They would make a nice addition to the articles on training that you have...>>
Actually, that's a good idea.
Actually, that's a good idea.
by Red Sable on 02 March 2010 - 21:03
Thank you very much Ulf for answering my questions (on the other thread). 
by LynOD on 02 March 2010 - 22:03
Ulf ,
I met you at your old place in North Jersey. I came with a group of people (Don Larson and his wife with their shepherd my two and my friend Lisa Zelinski 's Male and Melanie's Female)
As for you not caring for my dogs you said that the Czech dogs were bred to be Civil. You liked Don's dog better He was from German lines.
No offense was taken, I found the whole experience very interesting and would love to some day get involved in herding. Some of my friends do and enjoy it, but they do AKC.
Thanks for all the info you share.
Lyn
I met you at your old place in North Jersey. I came with a group of people (Don Larson and his wife with their shepherd my two and my friend Lisa Zelinski 's Male and Melanie's Female)
As for you not caring for my dogs you said that the Czech dogs were bred to be Civil. You liked Don's dog better He was from German lines.
No offense was taken, I found the whole experience very interesting and would love to some day get involved in herding. Some of my friends do and enjoy it, but they do AKC.
Thanks for all the info you share.
Lyn
by UlfKintzel on 03 March 2010 - 00:03
<<I met you at your old place in North Jersey. I came with a group of people (Don Larson and his wife with their shepherd my two and my friend Lisa Zelinski 's Male and Melanie's Female)
As for you not caring for my dogs you said that the Czech dogs were bred to be Civil. You liked Don's dog better He was from German lines.>>
I believe I vaguely remember. Lisa was from the South Jersey GSD club, right? I once gave a lecture there when I was still young and handsome….now I am not so young anymore.
Anyway, here is what is true: I do care about some lines more than others and it is true that Czech dogs are not my favorite….neither are East German dogs (DDR dogs), many of the show dogs, many of the extreme sport dogs, most of the American shepherds.
But here is what I claim for myself and anyone who has trained a dog with me will be able to confirm this: I test and evaluate each and every dog on its own merits. I had all kinds of dogs here, from a typical American shepherd who by the end of the carrier scored a V with 90 points, show dogs, a dog linebred 3-3 on Fero (who turned out to be rather sweet with people), a DDR dog who bit me in the butt and pretty much anything else there is out there. Just because I don’t like the pedigree and would not breed to them ever does not at all mean I don’t give any dog a fair chance. Dogs don’t read their pedigrees and you can have one with the best pedigree who fails in my eyes and some other dog who should be a failure according to its ancestors and is a good dog and you wonder forever where it came from.
So, I am not sure I said I don’t like your dogs based on the fact that they were Czech. I may indeed have said I don’t like Czech dogs. To me, that’s a huge difference in statement.
As for you not caring for my dogs you said that the Czech dogs were bred to be Civil. You liked Don's dog better He was from German lines.>>
I believe I vaguely remember. Lisa was from the South Jersey GSD club, right? I once gave a lecture there when I was still young and handsome….now I am not so young anymore.
Anyway, here is what is true: I do care about some lines more than others and it is true that Czech dogs are not my favorite….neither are East German dogs (DDR dogs), many of the show dogs, many of the extreme sport dogs, most of the American shepherds.
But here is what I claim for myself and anyone who has trained a dog with me will be able to confirm this: I test and evaluate each and every dog on its own merits. I had all kinds of dogs here, from a typical American shepherd who by the end of the carrier scored a V with 90 points, show dogs, a dog linebred 3-3 on Fero (who turned out to be rather sweet with people), a DDR dog who bit me in the butt and pretty much anything else there is out there. Just because I don’t like the pedigree and would not breed to them ever does not at all mean I don’t give any dog a fair chance. Dogs don’t read their pedigrees and you can have one with the best pedigree who fails in my eyes and some other dog who should be a failure according to its ancestors and is a good dog and you wonder forever where it came from.
So, I am not sure I said I don’t like your dogs based on the fact that they were Czech. I may indeed have said I don’t like Czech dogs. To me, that’s a huge difference in statement.
by animules on 03 March 2010 - 00:03
Thank you Ulf. This will be great to follow.
by Sam1427 on 03 March 2010 - 03:03
Just found this thread. How wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing. I look forward to more.
by LynOD on 03 March 2010 - 03:03
Yes it was with Lisa from the Southern NJ GSD club.
I believe that indeed you do judge a dog on their own merit and not their pedigree. And the statements were indeed general overall statements and not directed specifically at my dogs. It was just an instinct test and had I chosen to wok my dogs in herding I believe you would have given them a fair shot to see what would develop. Like I said I did not take offense and found the whole experience a good one.
Lyn
I believe that indeed you do judge a dog on their own merit and not their pedigree. And the statements were indeed general overall statements and not directed specifically at my dogs. It was just an instinct test and had I chosen to wok my dogs in herding I believe you would have given them a fair shot to see what would develop. Like I said I did not take offense and found the whole experience a good one.
Lyn
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