Why not buy from USA - Page 3

Scheila i agree with you ijust dont understand why people think just cause its from Germany its the best there is that is bullshit sorry Prager but they are not better just cause they come from Germany if they were i would have one but instead i took two years looking for my foundation bitch and found just what i wanted and i got to meet her parents see there personalitys and interact with them to me you have to meet the parents that is the best way to look into the future of the pup you want

The pups in the USA ARE overpriced. JMO! A pup IS UNPROVEN, and some breeders think that the titles the parents have, SHOULD be included in the price of the pup. If people are dumb enough to pay 3,000 and up for a pup, AND... you do not know how it will turn out...then who is the fool?

I know who to go to, and I WOULD buy another pup from Germany. (No guarantees!)  You take a chance. Thats how life is.If she turns out..FINE, if not ,she is still mine and I DO NOT DO RETURNS!! NEVER DID. These dogs do not ask to be born!

Dawn

You dont have to pay that kind of money you can find a great dog for 1500 or less if you look you dont have to go to the most expensive breeder to get the best dogs just because it cost alot dont mean you get what you pay for

Mike's Turn(Sheila jumped on while I was outside ;-)  )

As she said, we have been breeding for 30 years(successfully I might add).

In that time, as students of the breed we have continued to watch and learn about this most wonderful of breeds. We have observed thousands of animals in that time(from all origins).

We have seen terrible dogs(from all countrys) and have seen great dogs as well. Each of the countries goes through cyclical changes(or fads) sometimes to an extreme. Speaking of US dogs, the most recent structural fad in the late eightys to mid ninetys was very extreme rear angulation resulting in an egg beater affect and dogs that couldn't work. But please keep in mind there were still many dogs beeing breed that didn't not represent this fad, they were just not "in favor" at the time. Like all things the pendulam swung back or moderated. The US dogs are now much closer to the standard(at least structuraly) tho we still have issues.

As a breeder my job is to focus on the dogs we produce and continually strive to improve in an attempt to produce the animal that most closely represents the standard.

Current US concerns: I've seen an increase of DM in some areas of the counrty, an increase in missing teeth, an increase in straight fronts, some collie like heads and we still see some males who lack masculinity, I've also observed some concerns in temperament in some lines of late. On the plus side, better substance and straighter bones, some shortening of the overall length and a better overall working animal.

Current Imports: Some still have severe roaches, a dramatic rise in dysplasia(I hear there is consideration to move the a stamp to two years mirroring the ofa), some extremely sharp dogs(for qualification here, my club offers weekly training - I see an import requireing remediation about once a month - working on one right now that has bit the owner three times)... Steep croups, rears that don't fall through, . On the plus side: Excellent pigmant, great secondary sex characteristics. On this last years Seiger tapes, I saw two or three pleasing stud groups, of those about half the dogs were very nice. I will follow those two sires.

The key is still the same:
Find a good quality breeder that can navigate the pitfalls and weeknessess of the various bloodlines regardless of origin. I would highly recommend looking for someone with significant breed experience and hopefully they have some hardware(awards) to prove they know what they are doing. Don't be afraid to ask the breeder what their goals were for that litter, such as - what were they trying to improve. What area does the breeder feel his line(if he has a line) needs.

Sheesh getting long winded.

Good luck in your hunt for the perfect GSD.

M

Blair Built,
I really looked HARD for an entire year and didn't find any breeders who met all of my personal criteria including the price.

Do you have a list of breeders (even a few names) here in the USA with parents:
-OFA Hips/Elbows
-Breed Surveyed
-Both Titled (with titles and hip clearances on all dogs within the first three generations)

For $1500 including shipping....

I am not being snotty with you, I am serious, because as I said I looked far and wide with no luck. I would like to know of some breeders here with fair puppy prices. (And a hip warranty is not important to me)

Thanks,
Stacy

 

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Stacy what part of the country do you live in i bet you can find a pup like that within a half day ride you just have to look but the important thing to remember is you get what you see that is my main point i don't know why people buy so many dogs sight unseen i just think it is to big of a risk in every sense especially if you are buying a high drive working dog there is a fine line between high drive and out of control

Then for you, don't buy a dog sight unseen, but remember to each their own!  People have told you why they do it, relayed their good experiences, it doesn't matter whether or not you agree.  This isn't a debate, it's a matter of  personal preference.   I too buy only European line dogs, sometimes imported and sometimes from a USA breeder.   I have NEVER picked a pup out in person and I have never seen the parents in real life prior to buying, but I can assure you I have been more than satisfied with my very high drive working line GSDs, wouldn't settle for anything less.  Personally,  I would never buy an American Line dog, even if I wasn't involved in schutzhund, but that's just me.

When the OP is talking about "American dogs" in this case it means dogs born here, not necessarily american lines.  My opinion the country of birth is secondary to the character of the dog.  It doesn't magically change as it flies over the ocean.

(Wish that worked for me.. If I take a vacation can I be instantly slimmer by never mind how many pounds?   )

I will buy from Germany/Czech before I even think about buying from the US because I can find better dogs abroad than in the US and at a cheaper price. I have been looking for a little while now and have talked to quite a few breeders in the US... One disappointment after another....