"Pedigree Dogs Exposed" - Page 3

Oh, yes, Miss Beeb? Are you saying that KC ‘pedigrees’ are worth anything to the general public as any guarantee of quality? What exactly are you disagreeing with?

Much has been made of the APGAW inquiry. That inquiry was set up in November 2008 following the issues raised in the BBC programme ‘Pedigree Dogs Exposed’ regarding inherited and breeding problems in dogs. You didn’t prompt that inquiry. Jemima Harrison did. And hats off to her for doing it.

The APGAW inquiry said that the use of the word ‘pedigree’ should be tied to a high standard of breeding. That is what a KC ‘pedigree’ conspicuously fails to do. It is exactly what Jemima Harrison has drawn the public’s attention to. And she has done it very effectively. It is time someone did.

I can fully understand Jemima's point re. health testing. I know of an AKC registered GSD which scored EXCELLENT on the OFA hip evaluation, yet his ligamentation is so weak, his pasterns almost touch the ground when he's standing in a stack.

The really sad thing is he also has his UKC conformation championship! 

Yes, health testing IS important, but so is overall conformation, and dogs like this SHOULD NOT BE GETTING RIBBONS!!!

Well, I would suggest that you read the APGAW report. It says very clearly at the outset that it was set up in response to Jemima Harrison’s TV report. A KC pedigree is worthless. You know that. I know that. The more the public understands that the better. The APGAW committee members certainly did.

Good breeders have to PROVE that their litters are fit for purpose. German breeders can do that because they have the pink paper system. If breeders in the UK do not then they only have themselves to blame. Jemima Harrison has drawn this to the attention of the public in a way that no-one had done previously. She is to be applauded for that. How ‘good breeders’ in the UK respond to that is a matter for them.

For my own part unless and until the UK gets its house in order I shall continue to buy my own dogs in Germany and I shall mate them there.

Is there any reason why Jemima Harrison should take part in any campaign of yours or anyone else’s? She makes TV programmes. Suck it up and live with it.

peterlee,these animals you,re buying from germany......ARE THEY HIP/ELBOW SCORED?and do you have them scored under the bva scheme.there have been discrepencies in animals who have had an a stamp normal or fast normal when they have had plates taken in the uk ,which have been submitted for scoring here in the uk.one person knows that to her disappointment.the animal was either normal or fast normal but had a bva hip score in the 50,s.hows that for the german system.theres unsavoury breeders over there too.,as there probably are all over the world.as for cow hocks,i too DO NOT BELIEVE THERE AS BAD AS IS PAINTED.imo its down to the way young puppies are taught to pull hard into the collar.my bitch is sound but she can appear to be unsound when she sees something she wants to get to and starts digging in at the front and back end.double handling has a lot to answer for in m aking animals unsound and distorted in the backline.WASNT THE SHEPHERD IN THAT PROGRAM(which unfortunately i didnt see)SAID TO BE THE CRUFTS WINNER OF THAT YEAR,BUT WAS IN FACT ANOTHER ANIMAL AT ANOTHER SHOW!!!!!!THAT DOESNT SAY MUCH FOR THIS LADY,S RESEARCH NOW DOES IT??????Carole

Oh, please. Do you really think anyone in the UK goes to the trouble of buying and mating GSDs in Germany which are not hip and elbow scored? What planet are you on? And, frankly, if I have dogs which are ‘a’ stamp normal, registered with the SV with ZW scores of 80 and 83 who gives a stuff what their BVA scores are? I use the German system because it works. There is no system in the UK. Er, remind me, what is breed survey Class 2 (minus) in the UK? No schutzhund qualification and males that are over 68 cms etc…. Excuse me while I fall off my chair and roll about on the floor laughing.

For your easy access Missbeeb, I think this is what you were referring to:


 www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/264463.html#265846

It would seem to me that trotters123 goes to different shows from me because i do not nor have ever seen 50% of dogs at any show i have been to   to be cow hocked  maybe you attend the other types shows i dont know but what i do know i see with my own eyes and i do not see that many cow hocked dogs in fact most shows i have been to you dont see any cow hocked dogs at all so dont know where the 50% comes in like i said maybe the other side's shows ( not jumping on you trotters just giving an honest opinion of what i see) if you watch the dogs from the back as they are gaiting around the ring you will see the are not cow hocked well at least the ones i have seen i am not saying there are no cow hocked dogs because there are but they are in the minority and as i said selective breeding will put this right
Our breed surveys may not be the best in the world but they are a start i would rather by a pup from health tested parents than take the chance of buying blind from parents with no health tests at all at least you know with parents and g/parents and so on have been hip and elbow scored haem tested then that pup has a better than average chance of a pain free life rather than the ones born with no health tests on parentage done
jim h