HOLY COW! I Love this dog! - Page 3

my dogs not only use their legs to push against  the helper I actually incourage this behaviour.. Fight baby fight... dont hang like a sak of potatoes.   LOVE IT!!!


I loved the helper work.. I miss helpers like that here where I live. I have a helper who doesnt do trials, he just gets dogs ready for te "show:.. too bad

I like the dog well enough - seems like a powerful, large male, good-looking and definately intense in the gripwork.  However, his grips come and go (canine grips on a couple, full/calm on a couple) and his guarding comes and goes (looks very intense until he looks around for the handler).    I like him though, seems like a good powerful dog that should definately be noticed. 
His pedigree - motherline I like very much, fatherline I'm not familier with.

My opinion, from someone that has bred/trained/titled/competed multiple dogs - not that this should really matter (who needs a resume to express an opinion?)

molly

OBGS, I am presently no longer training for schutzhund, it's not so hard to understand.  My first couple years in schutzhund, like Vicky does, I merely worked with pre-titled dogs, but in my case it was for the purpose of learning about the sport, rather than advance their careers or my personal ego.  That second year I was delayed with a genetically unfit prospect for breeding.  Great dog, but a unilateral crytorchid.  My second prospect and all west workingline, was selected-for the purpose of and beginning-trained for schutzhund (therefore I often call him my "schutzhund dog").  He is nearing three years of age.

I am also no longer training in herding & tending, as I did in 2009.  Currently, I'm in training with my county's SAR team, so not doing anything 'formally measureable" for your personal critique involving my dogs.  Most likely, I'll attend a three day "sport related" seminar next month, but I assure you it's for personal interest, and I have no intention of working toward any titles.

See, there's a fundamental difference between my perspective and some (many) others that frequent the database; for some folks, it's all about the sport and less about the breed, or all about the title and less about the dog.  I'm less motivated by any accomplishments and monetary rewards.  I'm passionate in my interest to learn the qualities of the animal and the acquiring and practical application of a wide variety of true skills that lie beyond the scope of showmanship.  I want to produce dogs in my breeding that can actually be what they are supposed to be representing, not a silly act.  But less to my satisfaction, the type of dogs I began with in sport were only fit to do the job modestly, in that they did not fit the mold for what could greatly succeed in sport at higher levels.  Somewhere lies the balance between work, sport and family living that I hope to find, that's more than mediocrely fit for each.  There's few dogs alive that could fit that description IMO, and fewer breeders that could consistently produce it.

Since I'm meandering off, please PM me if you'd like to inquire about further matters unrelated to the topic, or PM vickie if you just want to vent and give your moral support.

Also why do most helpers try to "correct" a dog for using his feet/claws?

ron writes: I believe it has something to do with the notion that it will affect the out......

Personally I like my dog to fight with all the tools in his disposal.

ron writes: same here!!!!

In trial the dogs loose points for putting thier feet on the helper.

Vickie
PowerHaus

Vickie.... I am going to read the rulebook, If it is not stated there clearly I will Fight with the judge till he gives me the points back and add some for my dog actually showing something more than just a dead hang! lol


pack..

GSDPACK,

Please let me know what you find out.  I was actually thinking that a dog would loose points if he puts his feet on the helper durring the bark and hold.  Other times I DO like the dog to fight the decoy with all he's got!

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

I'm with you all there, I totally prefer it myself, but got into an interesting debate about it with a helper from my old club.  Just wish I could clearly remember the rationale of the argument in support of the dead hang.  I'd imagine the helper (suspect/assailant) has a better chance of maintaining their center of gravity to stay upright if the dog is pushing and pulling at the same time, and that might be part of it.  A dog coming in low and up for the bite, and pulling down or back would possibly have a better chance of pulling them to the ground?

I too prefer to see a dog fighting the helper before the "OUT" command than just a dead hang on the sleeves.  I believe the premise is to do with grips.  For those dogs that fight the helper involving pushing with their legs tend to also shake with their heads which in turn have a "greater tendency to shift their grips" than those dogs that pulls and hangs so to speak.

I could be wrong.

Vickie,
You are right, the dog should not bump into the helper in the B&H otherwise points is deducted.  However, fighting the helper, head shaking and forelegs up against the helper is great to watch.

See video of Falk von den Wölfen - BSP Protection 99pts
video.google.com/videoplay